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#2916188 19-May-2022 22:43

BYD Atto3 opened for preorders in Australia a couple of months ago. Preorders in theHas thousands.Talking about October delivery:

https://thedriven.io/2022/05/13/thousands-of-orders-taken-for-byd-atto-3-but-deliveries-pushed-back-to-october/

BYDs Australian partner renamed from Nexport to EVDirect:

https://evdirect.com.au/

7 year vehicle and battery warranty on the Atto3.

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#2916189 19-May-2022 22:44

gzt: That BYD posted earlier is really interesting actually. Take a closer look:

TradeMe: Looking for a value for money EV big on space and on range..look no furhter, the BYD E6 fully electric Station Wagon is here. GVI are proud to be BYD Authorised resellers and have a selection of Ex-Taxi Fleet E6 Wagons for sale now

Ignore the mileage, these units have been well maintained and reconditioned so look like they have travelled a fraction of the kms

Full parts and service support available through our specialist EV workshop. We have a huge parts stock including headlights, taillights, bodypanels, glass and brakes etc

They are indeed very interesting.

The specs of these cars seem to be way ahead of their time.

They are only one year newer than my 2014 leaf, yet have done 300,000+ km of taxi duty, yet they are still being advertised with 250km+ range. (my leaf is down to about 100km)

lithium iron phosphate battery chemistry, and a pack size that must have been massive by 2015 standard's.

Specs scraped in feb 2015 are here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160206102333/http://www.byd-auto.net/vehicles/e6/index.php

Obviously a very heavy car at 2295kg empty (wow), and assuring that power is 90kW, would't be as quick as people are used to the 80kW 1505kg kerb weight leaf's.

Those charging KW's and times are very quick too.

Sounds like GVI have heaps of similar ones, and are just advertising one example. So my criticism of it being on the market a long time is not valid.

Wonder what the country of origin is (Hong Kong? UK? Singapore?) - text on dashboard is in English, and what standard the charge socket(s) are. Might have to swing by for a look at some point.

Great to have another used EV option in the sub $20k (after rebate) price range.

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#2916872 21-May-2022 16:41

If it weren't for Renault Zoe's safety rating, I would have bought one. For an urban EV, it had a great range.

Surprising it is struggling in New Zealand, with the rebate.

Autocar.co.nz: Renault NZ drops the Zoe after zero star safety rating, leaves it EV-less

Renault New Zealand has ditched the electric Zoe from its domestic line-up after the model received zero stars in a recent NCAP crash test.

A 2021 crash test saw the Zoe receive poor safety ratings across the board, with a final safety rating so low it didn’t warrant a star.

“It is cynical to offer the consumer an affordable green car if it comes at the price of higher injury risk in the event of an accident,” read the NCAP report after the test.

...It’s unknown how many Zoes were already in New Zealand or on their way before Renault pulled the pin.

However, Waller did say only a small number of cars on our shore.

Dropping the Zoe means Renault has no electric passenger models.

Its sole EV is now the Kangoo commercial van.
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#2916890 21-May-2022 18:05

Nissan / Renault dropping the ball they helped to create.

As time passes it looks more and more like the charges against former CEO, Carlos Ghosn were actually a coup to stop the continued merging of Renault and Nissan and strangle electrification..... Because that was the result. It was no accident.

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#2916978 21-May-2022 22:24

Linuxluver: Nissan / Renault dropping the ball they helped to create.

As time passes it looks more and more like the charges against former CEO, Carlos Ghosn were actually a coup to stop the continued merging of Renault and Nissan and strangle electrification..... Because that was the result. It was no accident.

Ghosn was cooked, he was about as sus as it gets.

Renault have the Renault 5 reboot coming down the line. The Zoe was a dead-duck and you never knew what charging options it actually had if you went to look at one. Nissan have the Ariya coming down the line and the Leaf still going gangbusters. If yeeting Ghosn was supposed to derail electrification in Nissan/Renault then they failed miserably.

What likely killed the Zoe here is that it was designed to be sold in Europe with the battery leased separately; throw in the NZ Island-market premium and it's not a great deal like it is in other parts of the world.

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#2916996 22-May-2022 00:22

Regarding the Zoe, It is a really pity to see NZ loose an EV option. People like different things in car's, so the more electric options there are the greater the chance that an EV will fit somebodies use case. That said, thankfully their are other Electric options in the small hatchback segment, like the Electric Mini, and Peugeot e-208.

But of coarse, given the rules to get the $8650 rebate require a 3 star of better crash rating, this decision was inevitable. Not really viable to compete head to head when your product doesn't qualify for the $8650 rebate, and all your competition does.

In the UK the Zoe, Mini Electric & e-208 are all in same general price space. In NZ the likes of the e-208 MSRP is $61,990. Gives a net price after rebate of $53,365+ORC. Would be very hard for Renault to sell a cira $60k zoe in that environment.

Saving grace is perhaps that the Zoe was unlikely to be a big volume seller regardless.

1. The first shootout from google Picked the Peugeot e-209 as the winner (but did note the Zoe had the best real world range at 192 miles, vs 140miles for the e-208)

https://www.whatcar.com/news/new-mini-electric-and-peugeot-e-208-vs-renault-zoe/n21585

2. The availability of lightly used Nissan leaf's from japan (62kWh e+ 2019 for below $50k) offer a longer range hatchback offering, which is quite attractive (unless one really a brand new car, or wants a smaller hatchback than the leaf)

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...The Zoe was a dead-duck and you never knew what charging options it actually had if you went to look at one...

What likely killed the Zoe here is that it was designed to be sold in Europe with the battery leased separately; throw in the NZ Island-market premium and it's not a great deal like it is in other parts of the world.

The charging wasn't that complex.

ZE & ZE40 versions all supported AC charging up to 22kW, with some configurations supporting 44kW AC charging. (obviously the bet wrong with their high power AC charging and no DC charging, but it what it is.)

New ZE 50 supports AC charging up to 22kW & DC charging up to 50kW.

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#2916999 22-May-2022 08:00

GV27:

Nissan have the Ariya coming down the line and the Leaf still going gangbusters.

I am quite fascinated by the discussion in the other thread about the Leaf lacking thermal management of the battery, and the consequences for the lifespan of the battery. It seems to me that this makes the Leaf a depreciation disaster compared with something like a Niro or Kona electric.

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#2917004 22-May-2022 08:32

alasta:
GV27:

Nissan have the Ariya coming down the line and the Leaf still going gangbusters.

I am quite fascinated by the discussion in the other thread about the Leaf lacking thermal management of the battery, and the consequences for the lifespan of the battery. It seems to me that this makes the Leaf a depreciation disaster compared with something like a Niro or Kona electric.

You would be right. The 62kWh LEAF has a large enough battery that it can avoid the heat issue, but the smaller batteries are vulnerable. They do need to be repeatedly fast charged on a longer trip. Even the 62kWh can get too hot if you want to drive 1200km in two days. Bjorn Nyland demonstrated this in one of his videos. Nissan have always felt the need to cripple their EVs until the market forced them to create the Ariya .....

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#2917017 22-May-2022 09:19

I wonder what it is about Japanese car companies. Nissan innovate with the LEAF and sit on their laurels. Toyota develop their Hybrid Synergy Drive system but take ages to put it in anything but the Prius, and then sit on their laurels. Mazda and Honda produce a couple of mild hybrids, and then sit on their laurels.

As a consequence, the Korean and Chinese manufacturers are eating the Japanese’ lunch.

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#2917018 22-May-2022 09:44

Aussie company going to offer some free charging, starting with chargers at Mitre10 stores.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/18/australian-company-to-offer-free-charging-for-evs-in-new-zealand/?fbclid=IwAR0h6kYaY1eX9kCL0z6PklIDE5nXIToZGj8Lp6bFD9aVYvx5IpP25s0NgMI

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#2917021 22-May-2022 09:57

Dingbatt:

I wonder what it is about Japanese car companies. Nissan innovate with the LEAF and sit on their laurels. Toyota develop their Hybrid Synergy Drive system but take ages to put it in anything but the Prius, and then sit on their laurels. Mazda and Honda produce a couple of mild hybrids, and then sit on their laurels.

As a consequence, the Korean and Chinese manufacturers are eating the Japanese’ lunch.

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#2917028 22-May-2022 10:47

maybe they don't like change

they still communicate over fax, transact in cash

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#2917030 22-May-2022 10:57

Batman:

maybe they don't like change

they still communicate over fax, transact in cash

Change is expensive for the incumbent vehicle manufacturers. The EV start-up companies have significant advantages in respect of manufacturing plants designed for purpose vs. retooling, design and construction skills, conflict of interest for EV vs. existing ICE range, and market access regulatory advantages. A 'clean slate' approach is typically more economic (e.g. new build vs. renovation in real estate).

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#2917171 22-May-2022 16:51

Dingbatt:

I wonder what it is about Japanese car companies. Nissan innovate with the LEAF and sit on their laurels. Toyota develop their Hybrid Synergy Drive system but take ages to put it in anything but the Prius, and then sit on their laurels. Mazda and Honda produce a couple of mild hybrids, and then sit on their laurels.

As a consequence, the Korean and Chinese manufacturers are eating the Japanese’ lunch.

From what I understand, it's because the Japanese government pushed heavily for hydrogen and so the Japanese companies followed along and put most of their eggs in that basket.

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#2917477 23-May-2022 09:19

GV27:

Nissan have the Ariya coming down the line and the Leaf still going gangbusters. If yeeting Ghosn was supposed to derail electrification in Nissan/Renault then they failed miserably.

Leaf going gangbusters? Its the only EV you can buy off the lot in the USA, its sales here are terrible given its way over priced and the dealers are not really interested, not sure how that will change with the Ariya

Ariya is a better proposition and I am guessing they'll get a model in under 80k but its only Nissans second EV model in a decade and if it wasnt for Mazxda /subaru etc would get the least effort switching to EV award.

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