Is it just a take or is it backed up with references?

Cos every one has an opinion and without references that's all it is.

i'm not buying it to save the planet but to save money, petrol price etc

Batman:

 

i'm not buying it to save the planet but to save money, petrol price etc

 

I paid $21k for my Leaf almost 5 years ago.  I've probably saved over $12k compared to driving something like a Corolla for the same time/kms.  Today 2015 Leafs seem to be selling for ~$15k.  I think my purchase has made really good financial sense, but I also like the fact that I've burnt ~5,000L less fossil fuels than I otherwise would have.  Of course others might save less, I have to drive 36km to get to work and another 36km to get home again - that certainly adds up to a heap of kms each year.

Batman:

 

i'm not buying it to save the planet but to save money, petrol price etc

 

There are all sorts of reasons to want one. I bought the Leaf originally because it was the right thing to do - at the time, it was one of the most expensive cars I'd ever bought, and that was for a second-hand car. Since then, driving between 2500-4000km a month, with a bit of a dip for lockdowns, I've saved thousands of dollars on fuel. I believe I'll still be ahead even after replacing the battery in the Leaf (although obviously by much less than I would have been if Leaf batteries weren't crap). I've done about 3500km each month in the Tesla as well, so that's also on track to save a lot of money.

Having had an EV for over four years ... I will never buy an ICE again if I can help it. They may be cheaper up front, but you get crippled on the opex.

Technofreak:

 

An interesting take on BEV's with respect to combating climate change.

 

https://youtu.be/S1E8SQde5rk

 

 

 

A friend of mine has just ordered a BMW eDrive40 M Sport to use for private hire work in Auckland. I think he said it cost him about $115k. It is to replace the Mercedes E200 that he uses now.

It will be interesting to see how it performs in a more commercial setting.

HarmLessSolutions:

 

Technofreak:

 

An interesting take on BEV's with respect to combating climate change.

 

https://youtu.be/S1E8SQde5rk

 

While he factors in the sourcing and manufacture of the EVs battery he fails to take a similar approach to the sourcing, refining, transportation and distribution of the (non-recyclable) fuel that ICEs require.

 

His basic premise is 

" We are headed down the wrong path by rolling out BEVs before making the manufacturing and electricity generation CO2 neutral"

This is an example of "Perfect being the enemy of the Good" in that he doesn't believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time...

Coal power generation is rapidly being displaced by Gas  ( and renewables) around the world,  in the US alone Coal generation have fallen about 50% in the last 10 years (~1800 TWh to ~900 TWh)...

Also if we wait until all power generation is Carbon neutral there is still another 10 year lag until remaining ICEs will be replaces by EVs, why not start replacing ICE now, so you are ready when power generation is emission free.

Geektastic:

 

A friend of mine has just ordered a BMW eDrive40 M Sport to use for private hire work in Auckland. I think he said it cost him about $115k. It is to replace the Mercedes E200 that he uses now.

 

It will be interesting to see how it performs in a more commercial setting.

 

that's one cool car! not much more than a Tesla

i bet it will be amazing in a more commercial setting

but i have 3 kids and a dog *sigh

wellygary:

 

Also if we wait until all power generation is Carbon neutral there is still another 10 year lag until remaining ICEs will be replaces by EVs, why not start replacing ICE now, so you are ready when power generation is emission free.

 

Considering that in New Zealand right now we already average around 85% renewables (probably better at night when the gas peakers are off, and the majority of EVs will be charging) "wait for 100% renewables" is an even more farcical argument.

wellygary:

 

" We are headed down the wrong path by rolling out BEVs before making the manufacturing and electricity generation CO2 neutral"

 

Thats an appalling argument for many reasons.

If we wait to 'fix' the grid then we also then have to wait to 'fix' cars

Evs are cleaner even powered by coal

Also lets ignore NZ is 85%+ renewable and you can always charge your car from your own solar or chosen carbon neutral electricity supplier etc. 

If thats the sum of his argument just dismiss it and move on its bs.

SaltyNZ:

 

Considering that in New Zealand right now we already average around 85% renewables (probably better at night when the gas peakers are off, and the majority of EVs will be charging) "wait for 100% renewables" is an even more farcical argument.

 

90.7% December 2021 quarter...

RobDickinson:

 

SaltyNZ:

 

Considering that in New Zealand right now we already average around 85% renewables (probably better at night when the gas peakers are off, and the majority of EVs will be charging) "wait for 100% renewables" is an even more farcical argument.

 

 

 

 

90.7% December 2021 quarter...

 

Renewables always do well over summer,  but this warm winter ( so far) should see lower gas and coal use..

80-85% would still be the envy of many countries. 

RobDickinson:

 

80-85% would still be the envy of many countries. 

 

Yeah, I think NZ is 3rd of 4th in terms of renewables % globally, 

( although it depends on what gets included . eg France only has fossil fuels for 6% of its generation,  but nuclear is 70%,- should it be included as a renewable?

Nuclear as far as climate is concerned should as its low co2 but its not renewable as such.