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  #3042776 27-Feb-2023 13:30
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The Skoda has the infamous infotainment system from VW. All reviews I have seen of any VW BEV has pointed out how slow and bad that is. That alone would put me off getting any of the VW + family BEVs.





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  #3042807 27-Feb-2023 14:37
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I was looking forward to the arrival of the Enyaq in NZ. Not so much now I’ve seen the price, and for the 2wd. $92K! I was hoping for something similar to the iD4. I’m sure it has some nice features, and the bigger battery, but that’s a $20K difference when the subsidy is reckoned in. I do like the look of the RS version, but according to the press release, that is still a ways off. Since the iD4 and Enyaq are the same importer, I guess they are trying to cover the field pricewise.

 

To achieve the claimed WLTP* range of 540km from its 77kWh (usable) battery it would need to do 142Wh/km. That’s a big ask for a non aero vehicle that weighs more than 2T. I’d say 180Wh/km at best, and more likely 200. So using the ‘best’ figure, that’s 430km. And when you only charge it to 80% because of its battery chemistry, that’s 344km.
I do wish more manufacturers would use LFP batteries.

 

Now more interested in the Cupra Born when it arrives.

 

 

 

*WLTP stands for Woefully Less Than Predicted according to Gav Shoebridge at Ecotricity. Usually knock at least 10-15 off the the quoted figure.





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  #3042808 27-Feb-2023 14:38
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On the Skoda Enyaq iV, it is quite there are such limited configurations available.

NZ is getting the configuration highlighted below in three trims. Sportline, Sportline Max, Sportline Max with 21" wheels. Should note that the sportline is already a high trim level.

 

 

If I had to guess, something like the Enyaq iV 60 (from GPB 38,970), was still going to be too expensive to scrape in under the $80k rebate cap, so they have decided not to offer anything at the cheaper end of the spectrum.

This is quite a pity, as if they had of been able to get a version in under $80k, it could have been quite a good option for those who don't need a heap of power or range (not that 390km is shabby from the "60" version), but do need more boot space than is offered by the likes of the Tesla model Y and Kia EV6.

At it's current price-point, appeal is going to be somewhat niche. I guess the main buyer for this would be somebody who wants a really long range, but doesn't really care about the car not being powerfull. And for some reason dosn't want an EV6 where the LR RWD comes in under the rebate cap, and it has more power, faster rapid charging & a longer range. Perhaps luggage space?

 

Still cheaper than an ioniq 5 elite 2wd.

In the UK, there is only a GBP2,200 jump from the 80 to the 80x AWD, and then a less than GBP2k jump to the hot vRS version.

 

A real pitty that couldn't have been offered here at launch (The could have even brought in only the AWD version if they wanted a simple lineup). AWD is a popular feature, and for the buyer that want's it, there are no rebate eligible AWD EV's on the market. An Enyak IV sportline AWD for say $99k, would be a solid offering to put against the Kia EV6 earth AWD, Ioniq 5 AWD trims, and is a solid $8k cheaper than a model y performance, and $10 ckeaper than a Mach-E AWD (for buyers who just want AWD, and don't care about crazy fast acceleration).

 

 

 

On the positive side, it is great the configuration they has an epic 510km range.

 

 

 

Wonder if we will see the police acquiring a bunch to trial given their existing relationship with skoda? While we are complaining about the low power (150kW), it is in the same ballpark as the 162kW FWD superb that is our main patrol car (AWD ones are 206kW).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RunningMan:

 

Pretty disappointing there's only a single motor RWD version in NZ, just like the ID4. Plenty of use case in NZ for AWD, so why are they ignored?

 

 

Hard to say, given they price jump for AWD in the UK is only about NZD5k, it would be the obvious pick.

 

Could well be they are just taking whatever they can get from VAG global? Perhaps they are going to bring it in a year or two to give an upgrade path for people who buy the 2wd now? Perhaps they want to keep the pricing solidly below that of the likes of the BMW i3x for brand image reasons?




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  #3042813 27-Feb-2023 14:53
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Isn't Skoda meant to be the cheaper/budget brand when compared to VW? Surprised that the VW will have an ID4 that qualifies for the rebate but the same isn't being done with the Skoda Enyaq





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  #3042815 27-Feb-2023 14:58
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Scott3:Wonder if we will see the police acquiring a bunch to trial given their existing relationship with skoda?

 


Not if the frontline staff that have to drive the current ones have any input.

 

Maybe for some virtue signalling by head office.





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  #3042845 27-Feb-2023 16:03
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Obraik:

 

Isn't Skoda meant to be the cheaper/budget brand when compared to VW? Surprised that the VW will have an ID4 that qualifies for the rebate but the same isn't being done with the Skoda Enyaq

 

 

My understanding is that it fits between VW and Audi (towards the lower end of that gap).

 

As an example

 

Passat alltrack: $63,990

 

Suprub Scout: $72,990

 

A6 Allroad Quattro: $142990

 

 

 

Confusing the matter is that many non-premium euro brands in NZ position themselves as premium brands.

 

For example VW NZ knows that the golf won't compete directly with the corolla like it does in europe, so they only bring highly specified versions to NZ (cheapest is $49,990), and market as a better, more expensive car then the corolla.


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  #3042847 27-Feb-2023 16:10
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Scott3:

Wonder if we will see the police acquiring a bunch to trial given their existing relationship with skoda? While we are complaining about the low power (150kW), it is in the same ballpark as the 162kW FWD superb that is our main patrol car (AWD ones are 206kW)



But what’s the relative weight of the two cars? I’m guessing there’s a difference of 400kg if not more, which totally changes the comparison.

That said, we should be thankful we got the 150kW version here - I’m amazed they’ve released the Enyaq in any market with 109kW: even with the smallest battery (55 kWh) it’ll still weigh a decent amount, as reflected in its 11.4 0-100 time. Man, I’d be tempted to go with an MG EV wagon rather than that spec Enyaq, if it was boot space I was after!


 
 
 

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  #3042852 27-Feb-2023 16:24
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Scott3:

 

Obraik:

 

Isn't Skoda meant to be the cheaper/budget brand when compared to VW? Surprised that the VW will have an ID4 that qualifies for the rebate but the same isn't being done with the Skoda Enyaq

 

 

My understanding is that it fits between VW and Audi (towards the lower end of that gap).

 

 

The VW group have the Skoda brand positioned globally as their "budget" offering .. its below the VW main brand 

 

 

 

"In terms of strategy, ŠKODA AUTO is bringing its expertise to bear in growth markets, with the aim of expanding the brand’s presence over the coming years, playing to its strengths in the cost-sensitive entry-level segment and efficiently leveraging existing potential for the Volkswagen Group"

 

https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/group/brands-and-models/skoda.html

 

 


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  #3042876 27-Feb-2023 17:35
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who pays 100k for a RWD skoda?


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  #3042933 27-Feb-2023 22:12
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jonathan18:
Scott3:

 

Wonder if we will see the police acquiring a bunch to trial given their existing relationship with skoda? While we are complaining about the low power (150kW), it is in the same ballpark as the 162kW FWD superb that is our main patrol car (AWD ones are 206kW)



But what’s the relative weight of the two cars? I’m guessing there’s a difference of 400kg if not more, which totally changes the comparison.

That said, we should be thankful we got the 150kW version here - I’m amazed they’ve released the Enyaq in any market with 109kW: even with the smallest battery (55 kWh) it’ll still weigh a decent amount, as reflected in its 11.4 0-100 time. Man, I’d be tempted to go with an MG EV wagon rather than that spec Enyaq, if it was boot space I was after!

 

I looked up the 0-100km/h times.

 

162kW supurb FWD is 7.7s

 

Source: https://fastestlaps.com/models/skoda-superb-2-0-tsi

 

150kW Enyak iV 80 RWD is 8.9s

 

Source: https://ev-database.org/car/1280/Skoda-Enyaq-iV-80

 

 

 

So yeah, the Enyak is quite a bit slower.


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  #3042971 28-Feb-2023 08:11
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Hi all

 

We are on the brink of buying a new EV e.g. a Tesla Model Y @ $73K (less rebate)

 

Then we discovered an aspect of total cost of ownership (10 years) we had not previously realised.

 

if we purchased a new $36K HEV e.g. Corolla wagon HEV and we put that saved $36K the bank at 5% interest (can be locked at 5 years TD) that interest would pay the petrol per annum meaning the the HEV (or ICE) vehicle has a better TCO since we would have only spent 1/2 the cost of the Tesla 

 

None of the EV TCO Calculators appear to consider that in many scenarios the cost difference if one banked the capital cost difference interest would pay the fossil fuel

 

Has anyone else considered that aspect of TCO?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #3042987 28-Feb-2023 08:30
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Good point but don't forget your resale value of your car may drop a lot more than an EV after 5 years as more people see EV as a viable option.

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  #3043061 28-Feb-2023 09:26
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xlinknz:

 

Hi all

 

We are on the brink of buying a new EV e.g. a Tesla Model Y @ $73K (less rebate)

 

Then we discovered an aspect of total cost of ownership (10 years) we had not previously realised.

 

if we purchased a new $36K HEV e.g. Corolla wagon HEV and we put that saved $36K the bank at 5% interest (can be locked at 5 years TD) that interest would pay the petrol per annum meaning the the HEV (or ICE) vehicle has a better TCO since we would have only spent 1/2 the cost of the Tesla 

 

None of the EV TCO Calculators appear to consider that in many scenarios the cost difference if one banked the capital cost difference interest would pay the fossil fuel

 

Has anyone else considered that aspect of TCO?

 

 

There are lots of moving parts to that equation, including expected average milage, whether its round town or open road, price of petrol and interest rates, 

 

But currently 36K in the bank@ 5%  would give you $1800 a year gross, less 33% tax means $1200 net, 

 

@$2.50.litre that's ~500 litres  @ 5l/100km that's 10,000 Km , 

 

 

 

 


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  #3043072 28-Feb-2023 09:46
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xlinknz:

Hi all


We are on the brink of buying a new EV e.g. a Tesla Model Y @ $73K (less rebate)


Then we discovered an aspect of total cost of ownership (10 years) we had not previously realised.


if we purchased a new $36K HEV e.g. Corolla wagon HEV and we put that saved $36K the bank at 5% interest (can be locked at 5 years TD) that interest would pay the petrol per annum meaning the the HEV (or ICE) vehicle has a better TCO since we would have only spent 1/2 the cost of the Tesla 


None of the EV TCO Calculators appear to consider that in many scenarios the cost difference if one banked the capital cost difference interest would pay the fossil fuel


Has anyone else considered that aspect of TCO?


 


 


 


 



That's correct. Also cash in hand is king.

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  #3043073 28-Feb-2023 09:48
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heavenlywild: Good point but don't forget your resale value of your car may drop a lot more than an EV after 5 years as more people see EV as a viable option.


Unless EV prices come down and electricity prices go up.

In the UK power has gone up 3-7x vs pre covid and some people are selling their EVs for other forms.

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