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#2113303 24-Oct-2018 17:13

Fred99:
Geektastic:

Kidults using them look a bit, well, silly to be honest.

Compared to what?

I've never been to that part of Auckland...!

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#2113340 24-Oct-2018 17:27

Geektastic:
Fred99:

Geektastic:

Kidults using them look a bit, well, silly to be honest.

Compared to what?

I've never been to that part of Auckland...!

That's Queen St. It's part of Uber's new organic zero emissions sub-brand.

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#2113516 24-Oct-2018 22:32

MikeAqua: ... It's part of Uber's new organic ~~(near zero)~~ emissions sub-brand.

There, fixed that for you. Somewhere along the line there will be a hot mess left behind

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#2113567 25-Oct-2018 06:38

Started as a Juicer the day before they rolled out (Mon 15 Oct), been working every day since and have made $1562 to date. However, I need to qualify that.

I'm not your typical juicer that might pick up a load around 9 pm, drop them off in the morning, charging them overnight. They set you up with 8 chargers so one load at $7-$10 per scooter would net you $56-$80 per day. However, if you want to do more than one load each day there's nothing to stop you. In fact, the Lime app notifies you if there are a lot of low battery scooters around the city so they actively encourage picking up, charging, and serving at any time.

Each scooter takes about 4 hours for a full charge. Add 2 hours for transporting scooters, you can manage to complete four loads in a 24 hour period, assuming of course that there are enough scooters available to harvest. At the moment the demand is going bonkers. If I serve a lot of 4 scooters at any hub, they'll be gone within an hour. I've looked through my earnings statistics and found that on a couple of occasions I've charged the exact same scooter from my neighbourhood twice in the same 24 hour period, and served it back to the same spot.

The scooter only shows up as available for harvest if the battery is flat, so Lime made their $18/hr, a full charge lasting maybe 2 hours, plus the $1 rental fee per use, and Lime makes about $40 per full charge, of which I get $7-$10. They have an operations team of 15 full-time staff that do maintenance and repairs, and also pick up the remaining ~20% of scooters that the juicers don't pick up, so they have to pay some operational costs, but once they recoup the money on the capital cost of the scooters, about two months of operating, then those scooters are good little money makers, with most of the running around keeping them charged being outsourced to the likes of people like myself. They've done their homework.

As this is a new thing the novelty factor plays a big part in the huge demand, which at least in Christchurch, is far outstripping supply. If I had more chargers I could get through more. Each load of 8 scooters (in my tiny '92 Honda Civic hatch, not worried about scuffing the inside, but does require careful stacking) nets about $56 - $80, doing 4 loads a day I can make $224-$320 per day. But that does involve not sleeping at night or doing anything else that doesn't fit into the 3-4 hours of waiting time whilst charging. Unsure how long the "craze" will last, make the most of it while it does. There are usually about $800 - $900 worth of scooters available for harvest during the afternoon, and also shortly after 9 pm, so if you want to sleep at night then doing two loads in a day is easily doable.

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#2113584 25-Oct-2018 08:21

benhan82chch:

Started as a Juicer the day before they rolled out (Mon 15 Oct), been working every day since and have made $1562 to date. However, I need to qualify that.

I'm not your typical juicer that might pick up a load around 9 pm, drop them off in the morning, charging them overnight. They set you up with 8 chargers so one load at $7-$10 per scooter would net you $56-$80 per day. However, if you want to do more than one load each day there's nothing to stop you. In fact, the Lime app notifies you if there are a lot of low battery scooters around the city so they actively encourage picking up, charging, and serving at any time.

Each scooter takes about 4 hours for a full charge. Add 2 hours for transporting scooters, you can manage to complete four loads in a 24 hour period, assuming of course that there are enough scooters available to harvest. At the moment the demand is going bonkers. If I serve a lot of 4 scooters at any hub, they'll be gone within an hour. I've looked through my earnings statistics and found that on a couple of occasions I've charged the exact same scooter from my neighbourhood twice in the same 24 hour period, and served it back to the same spot.

The scooter only shows up as available for harvest if the battery is flat, so Lime made their $18/hr, a full charge lasting maybe 2 hours, plus the $1 rental fee per use, and Lime makes about $40 per full charge, of which I get $7-$10. They have an operations team of 15 full-time staff that do maintenance and repairs, and also pick up the remaining ~20% of scooters that the juicers don't pick up, so they have to pay some operational costs, but once they recoup the money on the capital cost of the scooters, about two months of operating, then those scooters are good little money makers, with most of the running around keeping them charged being outsourced to the likes of people like myself. They've done their homework.

As this is a new thing the novelty factor plays a big part in the huge demand, which at least in Christchurch, is far outstripping supply. If I had more chargers I could get through more. Each load of 8 scooters (in my tiny '92 Honda Civic hatch, not worried about scuffing the inside, but does require careful stacking) nets about $56 - $80, doing 4 loads a day I can make $224-$320 per day. But that does involve not sleeping at night or doing anything else that doesn't fit into the 3-4 hours of waiting time whilst charging. Unsure how long the "craze" will last, make the most of it while it does. There are usually about $800 - $900 worth of scooters available for harvest during the afternoon, and also shortly after 9 pm, so if you want to sleep at night then doing two loads in a day is easily doable.

Sounds like good money, but have you done the numbers to work our how much your hourly rate really is?

Things such as:

How much fuel used?

How many km have done? - adds to mechanical wear and tear

How much power used?

How many hours spent juicing? - Do you count the 3-4 hours waiting as working, you said yourself you can't do much in between waiting

Everything I've read in the US says its mediocre money, so I am genuinely interested if the situation is different in NZ.

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#2113586 25-Oct-2018 08:29

Nate001:

Sounds like good money, but have you done the numbers to work our how much your hourly rate really is?

Things such as:

How much fuel used?

How many km have done? - adds to mechanical wear and tear

How much power used?

How many hours spent juicing? - Do you count the 3-4 hours waiting as working, you said yourself you can't do much in between waiting

Everything I've read in the US says its mediocre money, so I am genuinely interested if the situation is different in NZ.

And don't forget the tax of course

Mike

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#2113706 25-Oct-2018 11:07

benhan82chch:

Started as a Juicer the day before they rolled out (Mon 15 Oct), been working every day since and have made $1562 to date. However, I need to qualify that.

I'm not your typical juicer that might pick up a load around 9 pm, drop them off in the morning, charging them overnight. They set you up with 8 chargers so one load at $7-$10 per scooter would net you $56-$80 per day. However, if you want to do more than one load each day there's nothing to stop you. In fact, the Lime app notifies you if there are a lot of low battery scooters around the city so they actively encourage picking up, charging, and serving at any time.

Each scooter takes about 4 hours for a full charge. Add 2 hours for transporting scooters, you can manage to complete four loads in a 24 hour period, assuming of course that there are enough scooters available to harvest. At the moment the demand is going bonkers. If I serve a lot of 4 scooters at any hub, they'll be gone within an hour. I've looked through my earnings statistics and found that on a couple of occasions I've charged the exact same scooter from my neighbourhood twice in the same 24 hour period, and served it back to the same spot.

The scooter only shows up as available for harvest if the battery is flat, so Lime made their $18/hr, a full charge lasting maybe 2 hours, plus the $1 rental fee per use, and Lime makes about $40 per full charge, of which I get $7-$10. They have an operations team of 15 full-time staff that do maintenance and repairs, and also pick up the remaining ~20% of scooters that the juicers don't pick up, so they have to pay some operational costs, but once they recoup the money on the capital cost of the scooters, about two months of operating, then those scooters are good little money makers, with most of the running around keeping them charged being outsourced to the likes of people like myself. They've done their homework.

As this is a new thing the novelty factor plays a big part in the huge demand, which at least in Christchurch, is far outstripping supply. If I had more chargers I could get through more. Each load of 8 scooters (in my tiny '92 Honda Civic hatch, not worried about scuffing the inside, but does require careful stacking) nets about $56 - $80, doing 4 loads a day I can make $224-$320 per day. But that does involve not sleeping at night or doing anything else that doesn't fit into the 3-4 hours of waiting time whilst charging. Unsure how long the "craze" will last, make the most of it while it does. There are usually about $800 - $900 worth of scooters available for harvest during the afternoon, and also shortly after 9 pm, so if you want to sleep at night then doing two loads in a day is easily doable.

Very interesting. Seems the Scooters have a 280Wh battery so are nearly free to recharge in the terms of power costs - I think I'd pay 5c to recharge one.

So your main cost is labour and Vehicle running costs.

If you have been working the last 10 days you have made $156 dollars a day.
That means you are working twice as hard as your typical juicer stated above

Less petrol costs and wear and tear on your car.
So maybe you have driven 20Km in a day to collect scooters - lets say $20 cost in petrol and other car costs (probably overstated but since I'm guessing lets go for an easy number)
Add in the $1 in electricity costs to charge the 16-20 scooters you collect each day.

You are making about $135 a day for doing split shifts and working full time.

Less 22% tax (sure you pay tax :) )

Less Holiday pay & kiwisaver (10%)

Comes out at $95 a day - assuming an 8 hour day that's $12/hr

No you are not going to get rich and have no social life but hey for a short term boost in cash while you have nothing better to do why not.
Would be a better economic if you did the part time gig of collecting in the evening and charging overnight. That would be a nice bit of extra pocket money.

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#2113726 25-Oct-2018 11:32

The Auckland CC is going to look the safety issues with these....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/108097101/auckland-mayor-orders-urgent-scooter-safety-probe-after-councillor-almost-hit

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#2113727 25-Oct-2018 11:32

"So your main cost is labour and Vehicle running costs".

Which is why swappable batteries is a much better solution. You cut the labor and vehicle costs by 33-50% by not having to bring them "home" to charge. You also increase the availability of scooters, so more revenue.

Upfront costs increase however due to needing extra batteries on hand. But only by 10-15% of the scooter cost.

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#2113730 25-Oct-2018 11:40

I certainly found them much heavier than I was expecting.

I only managed to chuck ~3 into the Auckland harbour before my arms got tired carrying them.

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#2113770 25-Oct-2018 12:24

MikeB4:

The Auckland CC is going to look the safety issues with these....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/108097101/auckland-mayor-orders-urgent-scooter-safety-probe-after-councillor-almost-hit

There have been countless incidents reported in the news but council has not been bothered. As soon as one councilor is involved in a near miss a full investigation is ordered.

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#2113774 25-Oct-2018 12:33

These things are great (in theory).

The problem is the idiots using them - Can't believe how dimwitted some of the users seem to be.

Have seen plenty of near misses with pedestrians - mad dashes accross intersections when the lights are red etc.

Why do the morons have to ruin things for the rest of the population?

(mind you stand on any street and see how many motorists are driving and constant glancing down to look at their mobiles!)

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#2113775 25-Oct-2018 12:34

muppet:

I certainly found them much heavier than I was expecting.

I only managed to chuck ~3 into the Auckland harbour before my arms got tired carrying them.

Were you testing if they float or are waterproof?

benhan82chch

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#2113843 25-Oct-2018 13:38

--How much fuel used?

About a full tank, $80 worth.

--How many km have done? - adds to mechanical wear and tear

About 400km

--How much power used?

The charger draws 80W, over 4 hours = 0.32kWh, or about $0.20 for our household. We have night rates so it's only 10 cents to fully charge one after 9 pm. About $30 for 150 scooters.

--How many hours spent juicing? - Do you count the 3-4 hours waiting as working, you said yourself you can't do much in between waiting

I work an office job during the 3-4 hours, software testing.

--Everything I've read in the US says its mediocre money, so I am genuinely interested if the situation is different in NZ.

I think at the moment yes. Easy to pick up scooters due to high demand and low number of juicers (currently waiting on more chargers/scooters to service all the new sign up's since they kicked off). Also much less traffic to contend with in Christchurch. We'll see if Lime start to lower the payout per scooter over time.

Also, I haven't been doing a full 4 loads a day over that whole period, maybe once or twice, but too exhausting with the interrupted sleep. Probably about 2 hours work per load of 8 scooters, collecting and transporting. Not counting the charging time as working time. So the hourly rate works out about $28 before deducting costs. Not a huge wage but for unskilled work, it's pretty good. I'm finding that I prefer the more sedate office life, but it has been good to meet people and talk to them about the scooters.

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#2113878 25-Oct-2018 15:23

robjg63:

These things are great (in theory).

The problem is the idiots using them - Can't believe how dimwitted some of the users seem to be.

Have seen plenty of near misses with pedestrians - mad dashes accross intersections when the lights are red etc.

Why do the morons have to ruin things for the rest of the population?

(mind you stand on any street and see how many motorists are driving and constant glancing down to look at their mobiles!)

This is the problem, NZ needs laws to protect ourselves from the 'bad apples'. Basically it is the same with almost everything, it is the 1% of bad apples the ruin it for everyone else, and result in big compliance costs. Take lasers or drones for example. Higher powered lasers were banned because a small number of people were using them in dangerous ways, even though most people would likely have been using them safely. Drones could face heavy regulation in the future too, because some are flying them above the height limits, or in areas they shouldn't be, and the NZ media has run a lot of articles about issues surrounding drones.

But the same goes with everything, including our food safety and health and safety laws. It is the muppets out there who have meant everything now appears to need heavy regulation and compliance certification, which used to be covered by 'common sense'. You could call lit nanny state, or the new spin on this term is 'proactive governance'.

But IMO, I do wonder why they have now allowed motor scooters on footpaths (as of a recent change), but aren't there any set speed restrictions? IMO they shouldn't be going any faster than a slow jog when used on the footpath, as footpaths are transition spaces for different vehicles at different times, and a lot of accidents occur on them. In theory I think electric scooters are a great idea to get cars off the road. But I would like to see dedicated cycle/scooter lanes.

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