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#2552889 31-Aug-2020 10:15

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I'm amazed how someone suggesting the police use a 5 kph speed tolerance morphs into advocating for dangerous driving.

I think some people fail to see that there is a new rule in place (not a new law but for all practical purposes a new rule) and some adults like to discuss. Like how they discuss who should be selected at full back for the ABs. When we do that we don't get accused of trying to sack the coach, just as when we discuss the new zero tolerance rule we don't automatically become criminals.

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#2552897 31-Aug-2020 10:31

One thing New Zealand roads need is more pull off lanes for trucks, motorhomes and vehicles towing caravans and boats to pull over safely. The verge on the vast majority of NZ roads outside of expressways are totally unsuitable to pull into safely to allow other vehicles to pass. Trying to pull a caravan safely into the verge is not only terrifying it is very dangerous and likely to cause serious damage to the caravan. Drivers of these vehicles are required by law to travel at no more than 90Kph if conditions permit and to pull over where safe to do so to allow other vehicles pass, however finding a safe place is often very difficult and on many routes takes many kilometers before this can be done safely.

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#2552903 31-Aug-2020 10:36

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One thing New Zealand roads need is more pull off lanes for trucks, motorhomes and vehicles towing caravans and boats to pull over safely. The verge on the vast majority of NZ roads outside of expressways are totally unsuitable to pull into safely to allow other vehicles to pass. Trying to pull a caravan safely into the verge is not only terrifying it is very dangerous and likely to cause serious damage to the caravan. Drivers of these vehicles are required by law to travel at no more than 90Kph if conditions permit and to pull over where safe to do so to allow other vehicles pass, however finding a safe place is often very difficult and on many routes takes many kilometers before this can be done safely.

Most definitely. However there are now many places where you were once able to pull off, even to change a flat tyre, which now have road side barriers preventing this.

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#2553046 31-Aug-2020 11:51

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It's scary how some people get so upset at having to travel 5 - 10 km/h below the speed limit for a while, as if it's some sort of heinous crime on which their entire future existence pivots on, should they be delayed by a few minutes on their 3 hour journey.

If they decide to make a stupid decision to pass then that's on them, not the car they are following that is, by the way, complying with the speed limit. 90 km/h would not be considered "inconsiderate" or holding up traffic. It's not a crime if a driver does not travel at exactly 100 km/h. I just hope it's not my family coming the other way.

This is exactly the self-entitled and arrogant kiwi attitude that contributes to our crash stats.

Speed may not cause crashes, but it's basic physics that speed affects the outcome/level of trauma. Just chill and enjoy the journey.

Police have always had the ability to issue tickets between 1 - 9 km/h over the speed limit. This is nothing new.

I'd agree that on it's own 90 km/h isn't inconsiderate driving. At what point does driving below the speed limit become inconsiderate. I don't think it's solely a factor of speed, other factors also come into play.

Does travelling below the limit and having a string of 15 vehicles banked up behind you for over 20 km on a provincial highway as I witnessed just recently count as inconsiderate? Plenty of places to have pulled over but they didn't bother.

Does travelling well below the limit when the road isn't dead straight then speeding up to or just below the limit when the road is straight thus preventing the trail of following vehicles from getting past inconsiderate?

I have no problem with someone driving to their abilities and the road conditions but these drivers need to be cognisant that other drivers can quite safely drive faster than they are and when it's safe to do so they need to allow those drivers to get past.

The self entitled and arrogant label goes both ways.

Indeed the police have had always had that ability and I'd argue over all they have applied a common sense approach to speed limit tolerances which seems to have been working well. I do question the motive as to why there is a move to zero tolerance.

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#2553116 31-Aug-2020 13:10

The police would be better off campaigning to reduce the speed limit on some of our more dangerous roads.

NZTA is doing that too. For example, there is a proposal to slash speed limits on parts of SH6 between Blenheim and Nelson from 100 to 80, 60 and even 50 IIRC.

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#2553122 31-Aug-2020 13:18

Technofreak:

I have no problem with someone driving to their abilities and the road conditions but these drivers need to be cognisant that other drivers can quite safely drive faster than they are and when it's safe to do so they need to allow those drivers to get past.

The self entitled and arrogant label goes both ways.

I am a great driver. It's the other people. Blah blah blah.

How many times have we heard this before?

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#2553125 31-Aug-2020 13:20

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Technofreak:

I'm amazed how someone suggesting the police use a 5 kph speed tolerance morphs into advocating for dangerous driving.

I think some people fail to see that there is a new rule in place (not a new law but for all practical purposes a new rule) and some adults like to discuss. Like how they discuss who should be selected at full back for the ABs. When we do that we don't get accused of trying to sack the coach, just as when we discuss the new zero tolerance rule we don't automatically become criminals.

This is symptomatic of the general trend in society where it is no longer OK to be tolerant or polite to people with whom you disagree on a subject.

If you believe in some tolerance in the speed limit, the people on the other side of the argument will label you as self-entitled and arrogant and that your sole purpose for existing is to speed and kill little babies.

All this for thinking it is unreasonble to get an infringement for doing 51 in a 50. Suddenly you're out to kill families.

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#2553131 31-Aug-2020 13:42

surfisup1000:

This is symptomatic of the general trend in society where it is no longer OK to be tolerant or polite to people with whom you disagree on a subject.

If you believe in some tolerance in the speed limit, the people on the other side of the argument will label you as self-entitled and arrogant and that your sole purpose for existing is to speed and kill little babies.

All this for thinking it is unreasonble to get an infringement for doing 51 in a 50. Suddenly you're out to kill families.

I don't recall seeing that here. The irony is you are doing what you say others are doing.

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#2553151 31-Aug-2020 13:52

Things all drivers need to learn from day one when they want to use the public roads...

1. The roads are not your play ground

2. The rules are not guidelines or optional (except the yellow recommended speed signs)

3. You are not Lewis Hamilton or Scott Dixon

4. Your vehicle is not a toy

5. Other compliant drivers have the same right as you to be on the road

6. You half the driving skills you think have

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#2554161 31-Aug-2020 14:59

i drove 70km across auckland today. i had my cruise control set to 1kph below the posted speed limit verified by my GPS.

20% of people were driving over the posted speed limit, 40% were driving around the posted speed limit +/- a couple of kph 40% of people were driving slower than the speed limit.

its likely if anyone was pulled over and ticketed it would be someone in that 40% as its the low hanging fruit, easy target. not the 20% that are doing noticeibly faster than the speed limit.

Id also like to ask what the testing tolerances are on the speed enforcement equipment? surely if its +/-2% then you cant get a ticket for 102kph because you are inside the tolerance of the equipment for being correct? doesn't that open the police up for law suits?

I just had a quick look and here is one of the radar products use by the NZ police and its manufactures accuracy:

Accuracy: +2 / –3km/h stationary, ±3km/h moving

And a laser

Speed Accuracy: ± 1 km/h

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#2554176 31-Aug-2020 15:17

I have attempted to drive under the speed limit by 5 km/h for my recent driving trips.

I find driving under the posted speed limit incredibly difficult on the roadworks sections where the limit is 30 km/h. One section I encountered today was a strech of 30 km/h on a off-ramp of a 100 km/h motorway. I immediately slowed down to 30 km/h to the surprise of the drivers behind me. All bypassed me while I was crawling along at 30 km/h up the offramp.

The funny thing? One of the cars passing me at 50+ km/h was a police car who got so fustrated tailgating me that he overtook me even though I was actualy driving at slightly above 30 km/h at the time. I guess the front-line cops didn't receive the memo and/or they don't buy into this idea any more than some of us do.

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#2554179 31-Aug-2020 15:26

No they likely got the memo.

Everyone seems to be translating the article as EVERYONE MUST DRIVE UNDER OR ON THE LIMIT OR ELSE. I read it as, if you are a knob and get pulled. Or are trapped in a speed sting. You will get a ticket now rather than being told 'its a little high'.

There's been discretion. Now there isn't via policy.

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#2554192 31-Aug-2020 15:57

MikeB4:

I don't recall seeing that here. The irony is you are doing what you say others are doing.

OK, quote me where I have been intolerant of others in this thread?

I'll quote you first...

"people rage over a few seconds or a couple of minutes, it baffles me"

So I'm a 'rager' for supporting a speed tolerance?

There seems to be an assumption by you and others that supporting a speed tolerance makes one a dangerous driver or some kind of criminal wanting to kill your family.

There is nothing wrong with driving the speed limit when conditions are appropriate. If you think there is, then you should argue for reducing the limit, not removing speed tolerances.

The reality is that it is impossible to drive exactly at the speed limit , it is a best attempt.

[edit] you say you don't recall seeing that here -- then you should read some of the other posts.

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#2554206 31-Aug-2020 16:13

Batman:

Technofreak:

I'm amazed how someone suggesting the police use a 5 kph speed tolerance morphs into advocating for dangerous driving.

I think some people fail to see that there is a new rule in place (not a new law but for all practical purposes a new rule) and some adults like to discuss. Like how they discuss who should be selected at full back for the ABs. When we do that we don't get accused of trying to sack the coach, just as when we discuss the new zero tolerance rule we don't automatically become criminals.

Technofreak you have absolutely hit the nail on the head with this. I couldn't agree more!!

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#2554207 31-Aug-2020 16:13

Handle9: if you can't control the cars speed then go and get some lessons on how to drive safely.

Which assumes that if you keep below the limit, you must be driving safely.

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