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#3159376 14-Nov-2023 09:50

Geektastic: What’s the point of a Jeep without any off road capability at all?!

99% of them never go off-road anyway. They're just urban wank tanks.

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#3159381 14-Nov-2023 10:04

Geektastic: What’s the point of a Jeep without any off road capability at all?!

Because Jeep isn't a type of vehicle its simply another Stellantis brand.... A bit like Porsche when they made a Diesel SUV...

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#3159393 14-Nov-2023 10:30

There's a pdf on the jeep NZ website with

- 54Kwh and 51 usable
- Pure Electric Range Combined WLTP 402
- Pure Electric Range Urban WLTP 573

Range Urban is interesting. Presumably an average 30kph or something like that. I don't recall seeing that stat for other evs before.

- Service Intervals 1 Year / 12,500 km
- Warranty 3 years / 100,000 km
- Roadside Assist 3 Years
- Battery Warranty 8 Years / 160,000 km

Car warranty less KMs than the battery warranty? I did not expect that. I wonder if that line is correct. Ok.. Toyota is similar not unusual. Over 100,000, car maintenance for any vehicle definitely does get into the less predictable zone depending on driving style and use. Makes sense.

https://jeep.co.nz/uploads/84caec75466bc62b7d0fbb7c23ce65b6.pdf

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#3159396 14-Nov-2023 10:48

I have more or less decided my next vehicle will have large wheels to better deal with weather damaged roads giving annoyance to an ancient relatively minor back injury.

I do recall years ago one wheel in a set of alloys developing a crack. I'm not sure if I need to give any consideration to that risk unless something comes with low pro?

Suspension and seating are a factor. I think there's only so much can be achieved with small wheels hence going larger. Aftermarket seating might be an option. Japanese cars or at least the JDMs are built for an average height and I'm on the taller side.

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#3159469 14-Nov-2023 14:12

gzt:

Car warranty less KMs than the battery warranty? I did not expect that. I wonder if that line is correct. Ok.. Toyota is similar not unusual. Over 100,000, car maintenance for any vehicle definitely does get into the less predictable zone depending on driving style and use. Makes sense.

https://jeep.co.nz/uploads/84caec75466bc62b7d0fbb7c23ce65b6.pdf

Tesla does the same. 80,000km/4 years for the main vehicle warranty and then 160/190k km (depending if it's single or dual motor)/8 years for the drivetrain.

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#3159471 14-Nov-2023 14:23

gzt:
- Warranty 3 years / 100,000 km
- Battery Warranty 8 Years / 160,000 km

Car warranty less KMs than the battery warranty? I did not expect that. I wonder if that line is correct. Ok.. Toyota is similar not unusual. Over 100,000, car maintenance for any vehicle definitely does get into the less predictable zone depending on driving style and use. Makes sense.
https://jeep.co.nz/uploads/84caec75466bc62b7d0fbb7c23ce65b6.pdf

Battery lifespan is the biggest concern for many purchasers,

It would be quite likely that if a Major non battery component failed after 3 years that the CGA applied...

It would be really interesting to see what arguments a car company made that 3 years was "reasonable" for the lifespan of product worth 40/50/60K

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#3159498 14-Nov-2023 16:00

gzt: I have more or less decided my next vehicle will have large wheels to better deal with weather damaged roads giving annoyance to an ancient relatively minor back injury.

I do recall years ago one wheel in a set of alloys developing a crack. I'm not sure if I need to give any consideration to that risk unless something comes with low pro?

Suspension and seating are a factor. I think there's only so much can be achieved with small wheels hence going larger. Aftermarket seating might be an option. Japanese cars or at least the JDMs are built for an average height and I'm on the taller side.

Think you want to go the opposite...

Smaller wheels with taller sidewalls. I've had half the flats on 16" wheels compared to my colleague on 19" wheels driving the same roads. NB, I average a flat every two years and until recently a windscreen per year.

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#3160225 16-Nov-2023 17:07

BYD Seal is now on display at Euromarque BYD, will be here for next week or so (going to the take charge expo next weekend). I don't think test drives are an option, but if you want to see one in the flesh, its a beautiful car.

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#3160257 16-Nov-2023 19:22

sen8or:

BYD Seal is now on display at Euromarque BYD, will be here for next week or so (going to the take charge expo next weekend). I don't think test drives are an option, but if you want to see one in the flesh, its a beautiful car.

Is it a light blue one? If so, it’s been doing the rounds of dealerships. I was told it wasn’t certified for NZ roads and as such wasn’t available for test drives.

Yes, it is a very nice car.

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#3160293 16-Nov-2023 22:05

Yeah, that's the colour. I think actual stock is due early 2024

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#3160728 18-Nov-2023 06:54

Interesting car.

Could be good for apartment owners, who don't have easy access to a charger.

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#3161274 19-Nov-2023 20:19

I'm considering an MG Excite 51. What does it cost to insure something like that?

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#3161283 19-Nov-2023 21:29

Sorry not an answer to your question but an interesting look at EV insurance costs and the reasons why from the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/electric-cars-risk-becoming-uninsurable/

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ev-batteries-remain-major-challenge-insurers-uks-thatcham-2023-07-04/

TLDR

Insurance premiums have skyrocketed, some insurers are currently not insuring EV's

EV's 25% more expensive to repair and take longer to repair.

Not enough expertise in the repair field and with the increasing number of EV's this shortage is going to have a larger effect.

Battery damage hard to accurately assess when the battery area has been damage, batteries having to be replaced to ensure a satisfactory repair.

Replacement batteries are worth more than the value of the vehicle after as little as 12 months or so.

Damaged EV's have to be stored outside and at least 15 metres from other objects. An area that can store 100 damaged ICE's can only contain 2 damaged EV's.

Fire damaged EV's have a history of reigniting

Then the issue of parking buildings.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/burning-electric-cars-dunked-baths-water-stop-fires-spread/

While there is no evidence that well maintained/undamaged EV's catch fire more any more often than ICE's they are much much harder to put out. An ICE takes typically 5 minutes an EV upto 49 minutes.

While the cause of the Luton airport car park fire hasn't been attributed to an EV the inference is that the massive scale of the fire (1500 vehicles) was certainly exacerbated by EV's.

Larger car parking spaces look like being mandated to allow better fire fighing access.

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#3161341 19-Nov-2023 22:41

Electric catch on fire the least when compared to ICE and hybrid ICE*.

As for insurance price, most companies have online forms you can fill out to get prices. Pretty quick to do.

*according to studies i've seen mentioned online, so it must be true.

https://www.autocar.co.nz/study-claims-hybrids-start-more-fires-than-petrol-cars-evs-combined/

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