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  #3344521 19-Feb-2025 15:04
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wellygary:

 

HarmLessSolutions:

 

New activity in the V2G landscape https://www.interest.co.nz/technology/131972/electric-vehicle-batteries-bring-energy-flexibility-opportunities-including

 

 

I am currently of the opinion that "V2G will help balance the grid" is on the same shelf as "Green hyrodgen is great to smooth the grid" 

 

 

 

It only works if you have mandated net metering,  but even then, the efficiencies scale so it is becomes very attractive for commercial grade (GWH+) battery investors to enter to market and totally eat residential installs for breakfast... 

 

 

 

In OZ, the amount of large scale batteries going into the grid is huge, mostly funded by private equity and investment vehicles and they will likely be doing it at finance rates significantly lower than those available to home owners...

 

https://modoenergy.com/research/australia-nem-big-battery-energy-storage-pipline-report-2025

 

I can see this happening in NZ in the near future, likely co located with the industrial scale solar that is currently exploding around the country 

 

That argument may be valid when comparing V2G and utility scale batteries on solely economic terms but V2G presents advantages over grid scale supply in other ways but move the focus away from grid balancing to the larger perspective.

 

A synergy already exists for those that have both 'rooftop' solar and EVs. The advantages gained by one when the other is brought into play are boosted in terms of ROI on both. By adding V2G to that combo it presents the EV with the opportunity to become an income earning asset in its own right by way of 'playing' the electricity market together with the existing benefits of battery storage.

 

Add to this the reduced cost per kWh of storage capacity that is often presented when EVs are compared to static home batteries, together with their mobility which can be used to 'bring electricity home' when house supply is in short supply and the only hurdles that exist in this space currently are bidirectional EVSE availability and price, V2G enabled EVs and a regulatory platform that allows this form of connectivity.

 

As the latest 4777 electrical standard is rolled out across Australia and then NZ the popularity of using an EV to power your whole home will become apparent. This level of grid independence is now being discovered by solar owners with 'blackout' enabled battery storage and V2G will allow this resilience to be enjoyed by more consumers by repurposing a 'battery on wheels' that allows them to do so.





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  #3344528 19-Feb-2025 15:28
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

 that combo it presents the EV with the opportunity to become an income earning asset in its own right by way of 'playing' the electricity market together with the existing benefits of battery storage.

 

 

Ask solar Zero and the GIF how "playing" the market with solar and storage 

 

 

Add to this the reduced cost per kWh of storage capacity that is often presented when EVs are compared to static home batteries, together with their mobility which can be used to 'bring electricity home' when house supply is in short supply and the only hurdles that exist in this space currently are bidirectional EVSE availability and price, V2G enabled EVs and a regulatory platform that allows this form of connectivity.

 

 

That's quite a few "only" hurdles  :) 

 

But its certainly a space to watch...


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  #3344635 19-Feb-2025 21:17
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

As the latest 4777 electrical standard is rolled out across Australia and then NZ the popularity of using an EV to power your whole home will become apparent. This level of grid independence is now being discovered by solar owners with 'blackout' enabled battery storage and V2G will allow this resilience to be enjoyed by more consumers by repurposing a 'battery on wheels' that allows them to do so.

 

 

TBH, repurposing EV batteries that no longer serve their primary purpose as traction batteries, as home batteries, make more sense. We need to get the regulatory hurdles out of the way to allow commercial/boiler plate versions of Battery Emulator to have a green light in this country. How many 30kWh Leaf batteries does Nissan King list on Trademe ?

 

 





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  #3344636 19-Feb-2025 21:19
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wellygary:

 

Ask solar Zero and the GIF how "playing" the market with solar and storage 

 

 

Solar Zero became a game to satisfy the hedge funds. At that point it was all over. FFS, a 25 year lease on something that should have a cash payback between 5 and 10 years ! What a rort !





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  #3344775 20-Feb-2025 06:53
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fastbike:

 

HarmLessSolutions:

 

As the latest 4777 electrical standard is rolled out across Australia and then NZ the popularity of using an EV to power your whole home will become apparent. This level of grid independence is now being discovered by solar owners with 'blackout' enabled battery storage and V2G will allow this resilience to be enjoyed by more consumers by repurposing a 'battery on wheels' that allows them to do so.

 

 

TBH, repurposing EV batteries that no longer serve their primary purpose as traction batteries, as home batteries, make more sense. We need to get the regulatory hurdles out of the way to allow commercial/boiler plate versions of Battery Emulator to have a green light in this country. How many 30kWh Leaf batteries does Nissan King list on Trademe ?

 

 

 

 

Ex Tesla 60KWh LFP batteries on TM seem to have more bang for buck. Are they harder to use in a home power system?


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  #3344777 20-Feb-2025 07:01
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At the end of December V2X discussions in this thread were moved off, but they seem to have snuck back.

 

Can we please get back to EV News and Discussion?





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  #3344787 20-Feb-2025 08:01
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Yes, please. No more V2x chat in this thread. Cheers





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  #3344802 20-Feb-2025 09:04
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Dingbatt:

 

At the end of December V2X discussions in this thread were moved off, but they seem to have snuck back.

 

Can we please get back to EV News and Discussion?

 

Perhaps provide a link to wherever the offending posts were moved to? The prevalence of V2G chat in this EV thread and the home solar threads makes it very difficult to search for any alternative thread expressly intended for V2G/H/X.





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  #3344805 20-Feb-2025 09:14
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Moved? I don't believe anything was physically moved, people were asked to start a new discussion, and I don't think anyone actually did. If you want to discuss V2x in detail, please start a new thread. Feel free to post a link to your discussion here. Cheers





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  #3344826 20-Feb-2025 09:31
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Stu:

 

Moved? I don't believe anything was physically moved, people were asked to start a new discussion, and I don't think anyone actually did. If you want to discuss V2x in detail, please start a new thread. Feel free to post a link to your discussion here. Cheers

 

Done. The Adoption of V2G in NZ





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  #3344827 20-Feb-2025 09:33
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Excellent. Thank you.





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  #3345582 22-Feb-2025 17:02
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Obraik:

 

aka a software bug fix being pushed out OTA.

 

 

And on top of that, it was fixed in a software update in 2023.

 

From the article: The recall is for certain 2023 Model 3 and Model Y vehicles operating software prior to 2023.38.4

 

 





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