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PaulBags:keewee01: We've had some very healthy and reasoned discussion with most
people treating others and their views with respect, and it seems that most
people are on the same page here - which is fantastic. And I hope that
continues.
What I don't want in here is people trolling (which it looks like we've had
already) or going all fanatical. Lets keep respecting each other and each
others views
...By ignoring their views and calling them trolls? I've suggested multiple
ways to avoid blinding people with these lights as well and multiple reasons
why they are useful. In return all I've seen is "I don't like it, your
wrong, neener neener".
PaulBags:keewee01: And anyone who goes on about "Oh,
well, we see motorist not dipping their lights sometimes" is just not
making sense for using that as an excuse for why it is OK for them to do it!!!
(remember the old addage Two wrongs don't make a right.) A motorist forgetting
to dip their light is just that - forgetful. They haven't left them on full
with the intent purpose of blinding other road users (or at least not usually).
So to use those examples as a reason or excuse for being able to wear a
floodlight on ones head is poor.
And actually no, that's not unreasonable. Now your suggesting that cyclists are
purposefully wearing bright lights just to blind other people, and saying that
motorists never would? Who's the troll? Yeah your right, motorists do it too
isn't a reason to do it. It's pointing out that A) it can happen from cars too,
and B) cyclists aren't doing it on purpose either.
keewee01: Correct - the point I was making with this thread is that there is an big increase in cyclist using these really, really strong or inappropriate lights, and in the wrong ways.
I have no quarms with cyclist (or any other road user) wanting and trying to be safe, but anyone who does so by going over board and putting other road users at risk needs to know that is what they are doing and that it is unacceptable - and as I have said previously, I suspect that most have no idea they are putting other road users at risk.
keewee01: ... But what you have to realise is (as people have pointed out) mounting lights on your heads on the road is not legal (front facing must be mounted on the handlebars) and you have ignored that.
keewee01:
From the NZTA website:
When considering lights it is important to be mindful that:
- Headlights should be attached to handlebars and pointing down.
- Your lights can be a hazard if used incorrectly. You must not use cycle lighting equipment in such a way that it dazzles, confuses, or distracts so as to endanger the safety of other road users.
Correct use of cycle lighting will make your cycling experience safer and more enjoyable, while ensuring other road users are not at risk.
TheUngeek: Should ban bricks too as you can take those in a car and throw them at people.
Wait, ban cars you can drive them into people. Oh and bikes. You can throw a bike at someone so they have to be banned as well.
Love your logic
TheUngeek: Should ban bricks too as you can take those in a car and throw them at people.
Wait, ban cars you can drive them into people. Oh and bikes. You can throw a bike at someone so they have to be banned as well.
Love your logic
PaulBags:keewee01: ... But what you have to realise is (as people have pointed out) mounting lights on your heads on the road is not legal (front facing must be mounted on the handlebars) and you have ignored that.
Actually, it's completely legal.keewee01:
From the NZTA website:
When considering lights it is important to be mindful that:
- Headlights should be attached to handlebars and pointing down.
- Your lights can be a hazard if used incorrectly. You must not use cycle lighting equipment in such a way that it dazzles, confuses, or distracts so as to endanger the safety of other road users.
Correct use of cycle lighting will make your cycling experience safer and more enjoyable, while ensuring other road users are not at risk.
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/cyclist-code/about-equipment/cycle-equipment.html
They use the word 'must' when something is a legal requirement. Saying that lights 'should' be on the handlebars doesn't make it illegal to have a light on your helmet, otherwise cyclists would actually get pulled up for it. I can think of one other reason that there should be a light on the handlebars, and that is to provide a fixed point of reference for drivers. Having a dim handlebar mounted light therefore makes it safer to use a helmet mounted light, but it doesn't preclude it. Perhaps I should ask the NZTA to clarify.
As for my behaviour I apologise. I'm pretty easily antagonised and quickly become unreasonable; and that other guy who won't listen... gah.
jfanning:
Here is the law for a bike ( a cycle is classed as a group A vehicle), as you can see, head mounted lights are illegal, and I was wrong about the other item, you are allowed a single mounted lamp that is flashing.
3.3 Fitting and performance requirements for headlamps3.3(1) A dipped-beam headlamp on a motor vehicle (other than an unclassified motor vehicle, or a vehicle having a gross vehicle mass exceeding 12,000 kg) must be positioned at a height not exceeding 1.2 m from the ground.
3.3(2) A vehicle of Group A:
- (a) may be fitted with one or two headlamps; and
- (b) when operated during the hours of darkness, must be fitted with one or two headlamps that emit light that is visible from a distance of 100 m.
3.3(3) If a vehicle of Group A is fitted with:
- (a) one headlamp, that headlamp may be flashing;
- (b) two headlamps, only one of the headlamps may be flashing.
jfanning:
Group in relation to vehicles, means a collective category of the vehicle classes that are specified in Table A: Vehicle classes, as follows:
(a) Group A means vehicles of Class AA and Class AB;
AA (Pedal cycle) - A vehicle designed to be propelled through a mechanism solely by human power.
Nety: The legal issue was raised in this post. 3.3. This would appear to make headlamps illegal as they are more then 1.2 m from the ground.jfanning:
Here is the law for a bike ( a cycle is classed as a group A vehicle), as you can see, head mounted lights are illegal, and I was wrong about the other item, you are allowed a single mounted lamp that is flashing.
3.3 Fitting and performance requirements for headlamps3.3(1) A dipped-beam headlamp on a motor vehicle (other than an unclassified motor vehicle, or a vehicle having a gross vehicle mass exceeding 12,000 kg) must be positioned at a height not exceeding 1.2 m from the ground.
3.3(2) A vehicle of Group A:
- (a) may be fitted with one or two headlamps; and
- (b) when operated during the hours of darkness, must be fitted with one or two headlamps that emit light that is visible from a distance of 100 m.
3.3(3) If a vehicle of Group A is fitted with:
- (a) one headlamp, that headlamp may be flashing;
- (b) two headlamps, only one of the headlamps may be flashing.
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