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#2156200 8-Jan-2019 10:23

Merging into one lane smoothly seems to be beyond the skills of the average driver here.
I had to go to Warkworth on Saturday and, for some unknown reason, the northbound tunnel has been designed so that everyone has to be in one lane beforehand.

This resulted in an enormous queue because so many people failed to simply moderate the speed of their vehicles to merge smoothly.

Why it's so hard for them I have no idea.

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#2156208 8-Jan-2019 10:37

Geektastic: This resulted in an enormous queue because so many people failed to simply moderate the speed of their vehicles to merge smoothly.

Why it's so hard for them I have no idea.

standard Auckland behaviour, i dont think traffic would be anywhere near as bad as it is, because people can not simply merge at the speed of the traffic on the motorway.

even when the onramp is 300-400m long people still cant get up to 85-100km/h to merge. they then get on and straight into the middle lane.

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#2156209 8-Jan-2019 10:39

Geektastic: Merging into one lane smoothly seems to be beyond the skills of the average driver here.
I had to go to Warkworth on Saturday and, for some unknown reason, the northbound tunnel has been designed so that everyone has to be in one lane beforehand.

This resulted in an enormous queue because so many people failed to simply moderate the speed of their vehicles to merge smoothly.

Why it's so hard for them I have no idea.

yep, it seems to be an attitude of I must defend my patch at all cost.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2156210 8-Jan-2019 10:40

Geektastic: Merging into one lane smoothly seems to be beyond the skills of the average driver here.
I had to go to Warkworth on Saturday and, for some unknown reason, the northbound tunnel has been designed so that everyone has to be in one lane beforehand.

This resulted in an enormous queue because so many people failed to simply moderate the speed of their vehicles to merge smoothly.

Why it's so hard for them I have no idea.

Simple - slowing down would mean the car in the other lane might get ahead and that would be an affront. To prevent this it is imperative to travel faster than the other car, even if that speed is faster than the safe merging speed. Of course it then becomes a bit of a game of chicken with no one wanting to cede, and the faster cars go to stay ahead the more braking needed at the merge point, and the longer the tailback. (Retorical question I'm sure.)

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#2156212 8-Jan-2019 10:41

Jase2985:

even when the onramp is 300-400m long people still cant get up to 85-100km/h to merge. they then get on and straight into the middle lane.

I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong, from what I've observed, you use the onramp to drive really fast to the merge point, then stop, hold up all traffic until someone lets you in. You're definitely not meant to speed up to the flow of traffic and merge smoothly without interrupting the flow of the motorway.

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#2156355 8-Jan-2019 12:17

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towards Auckland

I think I spotted your error... ;)

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#2156683 8-Jan-2019 20:26

Jase2985:
Geektastic: This resulted in an enormous queue because so many people failed to simply moderate the speed of their vehicles to merge smoothly.

Why it's so hard for them I have no idea.

standard Auckland behaviour, i dont think traffic would be anywhere near as bad as it is, because people can not simply merge at the speed of the traffic on the motorway.

even when the onramp is 300-400m long people still cant get up to 85-100km/h to merge. they then get on and straight into the middle lane.

I can't imagine what happens the first time they try merging on the M25 at 130kmh.

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#2156684 8-Jan-2019 20:34

Geektastic: I can't imagine what happens the first time they try merging on the M25 at 130kmh.

The 18000km commute to get to the M25 from Auckland might be the first hurdle.

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#2156692 8-Jan-2019 21:36

Geektastic:
Jase2985:

Geektastic: This resulted in an enormous queue because so many people failed to simply moderate the speed of their vehicles to merge smoothly.

Why it's so hard for them I have no idea.

standard Auckland behaviour, i dont think traffic would be anywhere near as bad as it is, because people can not simply merge at the speed of the traffic on the motorway.

even when the onramp is 300-400m long people still cant get up to 85-100km/h to merge. they then get on and straight into the middle lane.

I can't imagine what happens the first time they try merging on the M25 at 130kmh.

Its much easier, our motorways are designed for high speed merging with both lanes merging with significant gaps, plus we never do a left lane on the off such as at St. Lukes > Great North so we do not end up with dumb having to immediately move left to avoid coming straight off.

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#2156701 8-Jan-2019 21:51

Dingbatt:
Geektastic: I can't imagine what happens the first time they try merging on the M25 at 130kmh.

The 18000km commute to get to the M25 from Auckland might be the first hurdle.

People do go on holiday.... Or get posted overseas... Or move...

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#2156730 9-Jan-2019 07:23

Why do some who originate from overseas always keep referring to the homeland? I have a colleague like that, I wonder why he lives here

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#2156748 9-Jan-2019 08:20

Part of our problem is we have very short or non-existent exit/merge lanes (sometimes called slip lanes). The north-bound Petone problem would probably be solved by a decent length exit lane. And worse, The Terrace off-ramp is marked as the left lane until right before it splits, as is the Johnsonville exit north-bound, so it's unclear when someone not exiting should move from the exit lane to the next lane. Hence people drive the length of the motorway in the middle lane...

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#2156750 9-Jan-2019 08:26

tdgeek:

Why do some who originate from overseas always keep referring to the homeland? I have a colleague like that, I wonder why he lives here

In some cases it is valid. Example the UK their death per 100,000 people is +/- 2.8, New Zealand is +/- 9.0.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2156754 9-Jan-2019 08:31

MikeB4:

tdgeek:

Why do some who originate from overseas always keep referring to the homeland? I have a colleague like that, I wonder why he lives here

In some cases it is valid. Example the UK their death per 100,000 cars is +/- 2.5, New Zealand is +/- 9.0.

I was more referring to some people's need to continually refer to their homeland

With your example though, a thought comes to mind. UK has much more traffic on motorways. NZ much more % on open roads, we have few real motorways, I;m sure thats part of it, aside from poor general driving habits

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#2156756 9-Jan-2019 08:38

its valid as it is a rate per population, we have a lot to learn from the UK. My youngest son has been there for the last year and he tells me the driving in the UK is considerably better than here. On the motorways he has experienced non of the aggressive, impatient, patch guarding nonsense we get here. He also tells that when parking in London you don't get the impatient aggressive morons who's life you have totally ruined by delaying them for 30 seconds.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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