Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




1786 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 139


Topic # 144122 8-May-2014 07:51
Send private message

I need some Geekzone assistance laughing

My car lives outside and last week after our first really big frost for the year I noticed I had more condensation on the inside of the car than I had frost on the outside. That night I felt around the car interior but couldn't find any damp spots, until I got to the boot.

I removed the carpet, then the wood liner than sits on top of the spare space saver tyre and found my problem
The spare tyre was sitting in about 5cm of water.

So over the weekend, I cleaned everything out of the car, removed the tyre and dried everything letting the sun take car of the rest. Then I started testing for the spot that the water can get in but so far no dice.

Overnight (Wednesday/Thursday) it has rained and checking the boot this morning I have about 2cm of water in the boot again.
As my testing as not found a leak, I am wondering what type of automotive service store I should take it to.

Google tells me a glass repair would be better than a panel beater, others say just your regular machanic


Thoughts?

Car is a 96 Honda Civic LXi if that helps

Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2 | 3

BTR

1340 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 356

Subscriber

  Reply # 1038737 8-May-2014 07:58
Send private message

Have a look and see if you can work out where its coming in roughly as the boot lid and around the boot lid will be damp. Its likely to be the window seal or the actual boot seal itself. Has the car had rear end damage before, a work mate had all sorts of problems with his Honda Jazz leaking after he was rear ended and the panel beater didn't fix it properly, in the end he took it somewhere else to be resolved.



What you could try it spray it with the hose i.e. hose the entire back end of the car and then open the boot and see if you can see where its been leaking.




1786 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 139


  Reply # 1038742 8-May-2014 08:16
Send private message

No accidents in this car, either caused by me or caused by others
In the weekend I checked everything for leaks, including running water over the rear of the car and checking immediately and checking 3 hours later - no dice

 
 
 
 


2067 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 617

Subscriber

  Reply # 1038744 8-May-2014 08:20
7 people support this post
Send private message

Physically get in the boot with a torch, get someone else to spray all around the boot and over it for a good 3-4 mins and see what happens.

5036 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2317


  Reply # 1038747 8-May-2014 08:26
One person supports this post
Send private message

Unless there's a known/common cause of leaks with that model that a workshop knows about and you don't, then they're going to end up charging you $100 / hour to do the same checks you can do yourself with a hose, and fix with a tube of RTV.
If it's normally parked nose uphill or nose downhill when it's leaked, then test it with a hose when it's parked on a similar slope.
As well as rear window seal and boot seals, rear tail lights are a place where water can get in.

1510 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 228

Subscriber

  Reply # 1038748 8-May-2014 08:29
Send private message

I had this happen once with my vehicle, cleaned it out and it never happened again!  It was weird.

4123 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 842
Inactive user


  Reply # 1038751 8-May-2014 08:38
Send private message

I had a Vauxhall Victor ten million years ago that had mushrooms growing in the back it was so leaky. The concerning thing was that one morning I went out to check them out and something in my car had eaten them???

819 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 25


  Reply # 1038753 8-May-2014 08:45
Send private message

lxsw20: Physically get in the boot with a torch, get someone else to spray all around the boot and over it for a good 3-4 mins and see what happens.


I remember doing just this about 12 years ago. I think it was my first car, I climbed in with the torch and Dad doused the rear of the car heavily until we found where the water was coming in. From memory it was drippig down from a wire and we just altered the way the wire was positioned and re adjusted the seal.

1450 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 115

Subscriber

Reply # 1038756 8-May-2014 08:50
One person supports this post
Send private message

lxsw20: Physically get in the boot with a torch, get someone else to spray all around the boot and over it for a good 3-4 mins and see what happens.
Hope they dont mind me setting this as answer.  I am mechanic of 40 years and through all the years this is the way to check where water gets in.    Spray all around joins.  Start from the bottom and work up.  Spray around rear window as if not sealed properly can get in there.  Starting from bottom to get more accurate spot as water runs down will sometimes appear to be from certain spot but is in fact coming from higher up




HTPC Intel Pentium G3258 cpu, Gigabyte H97n-wifi motherboard, , 8GB DDR3 ram, onboard  graphics. Hauppuage HVR 5500 tuner,  Silverstone LC16M case, Windows 10 pro 64 bit using Nextpvr and Kodi


527 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 81


  Reply # 1038757 8-May-2014 08:55
2 people support this post
Send private message

I had a leaky car and was unable to locate the leak initially - until i stripped all the carpet/linings out so that I could see the metal. Then got chalk and drew chalk over the inside - then once the leak came through I could keep narrowing down where the water was coming from by seeing where the chalk was wet. Worked a treat for me :)

373 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 34

Trusted

  Reply # 1038764 8-May-2014 09:21
Send private message

Hi - some great suggestions here for finding the leak... I've had the same issue in my old Toyota. I tried a bit of RTV around some dodgy looking seals, but didn't fix it. I never seemed to have a spare person around when I wanted to try and locate the leak, so I took the lazy way out - I removed a rubber bung at the bottom of the spare wheel well and let it drain through by itself (I'm guessing that the bung is there for draining purposes - I was thinking of drilling a couple of holes).




Cheers,
Mike

iPhone photo/general blog - here


446 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 47


  Reply # 1038768 8-May-2014 09:29
2 people support this post
Send private message

Is it civic hatch or sedan? If hatch (and probably sedan) I expect it would be around the tail lights, I've had two civic hatches which leaked in the same place. You can remove the little panel in the boot to see the tail lights, you may be able to a e water there when leak testing.

397 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 69


  Reply # 1038786 8-May-2014 09:43
Send private message

Definitely get in the boot with a big torch and have the car in the same place that it normally resides in. Spray the rear window including the pillar as some vehicles have air vents in this area that can leak. Also the boot lid/seal and the tail lights.

At the end of the day if you can't find the leak then drill a small hole in the lowest point to allow the water to drain and put some paint over the bare metal.

Chasing leaks can be very tricky and time consuming and costly if you have to pay someone else.

Cheers
Matt.



1786 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 139


  Reply # 1038828 8-May-2014 10:20
Send private message

Cheers everyone for the replies

Civic Hatch, Google advised me of the tail light issue - but can not find the source when I was doing the water testing in the weekend

To everyone who suggested using water and climbing in to test - have done that, but haven't found the spot yet
However I did top to bottom and so this weekend will try bottom to top


I am trying to fix myself as I am well aware that it could be rather expensive to get someone to look at it 

2761 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1164


  Reply # 1038862 8-May-2014 11:00
Send private message

Strip everything out of the boot including any linings, covers etc that you can, and do the torch/friend method as suggested.  My money is on the rear window, or taillights.  taillights are easily fixed with a bit of silicon, and could be worth doing if for nothing else than process of elimination for very little time and money.  

Unlikely so much water would be getting in from underneath, especially if it is parked when this happens.

The flip-side is that a couple of strategic holes in the bottom of the wheel well may at least let some water out and prevent it from pooling.   





Always be yourself, unless you can be Batman, then always be the Batman



536 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 37


  Reply # 1038870 8-May-2014 11:06
Send private message

joff_nz: Is it civic hatch or sedan? If hatch (and probably sedan) I expect it would be around the tail lights, I've had two civic hatches which leaked in the same place. You can remove the little panel in the boot to see the tail lights, you may be able to a e water there when leak testing.


I would guess this.  I had a 96 Civic Lxi Sedan, and it used to leak around the tail lights.  Car was garaged so I never got around to fixing it as it didn't bother me enough.

 1 | 2 | 3
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Huawei Mate 10: Punchy, long battery life, artificial intelligence
Posted 20-Nov-2017 16:30


Propel launch Disney Star Wars Laser Battle Drones
Posted 19-Nov-2017 21:26


UFB killer app: Speed
Posted 17-Nov-2017 17:01


The case for RSS — MacSparky
Posted 13-Nov-2017 14:35


WordPress and Indieweb: Take control of your online presence — 6:30 GridAKL Nov 30
Posted 11-Nov-2017 13:43


Chorus reveals technology upgrade for schools, students
Posted 10-Nov-2017 10:28


Vodafone says Internet of Things (IoT) crucial for digital transformation
Posted 10-Nov-2017 10:06


Police and Facebook launch AMBER Alerts system in NZ
Posted 9-Nov-2017 10:49


Amazon debuts Fire TV Stick Basic Edition in over 100 new countries
Posted 8-Nov-2017 05:34


Vodafone VoIP transition to start this month
Posted 7-Nov-2017 12:33


Spark enhances IoT network capability
Posted 7-Nov-2017 11:33


Vocus NZ sale and broadband competition
Posted 6-Nov-2017 14:36


Hawaiki reaches key milestone in landmark deep-sea fibre project
Posted 4-Nov-2017 13:53


Countdown launches new proximity online shopping app
Posted 4-Nov-2017 13:50


Nokia 3310 to be available through Spark New Zealand
Posted 4-Nov-2017 13:31



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.