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# 173313 19-May-2015 10:26
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Looking for people mover that is cheap & economical & reliable & cheap to repair.

There are hundreds of Wishes around and a fewer Premacys.

Estima new shape would be good but would like to pay no more than $6000 so pretty much ruled out really.




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  # 1307663 19-May-2015 10:36
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We have a 2005 Premacy...  The keyless entry is a good feature although the battery doesn't last long in the remote...

IMHO the wish looks nicer but the Premacy has better features so we went with that.

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  # 1307696 19-May-2015 11:06
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Did you consider a Nissan Presage ? running the 3.5L V6 (cant remember engine code, but is variant of the award winning 350Z engine). Nicely appointed interiors as well. Cant speak much about economy, but if you plan of lugging 1.5 ton of mini van and 7 people  around you want something decent in the power department.

We did the people mover thing ages ago, and found that 1.8L and 2L engines in them were gutless, not really optimal when you consider what you will be carting around, and if you use on long open road trips, even more so.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1307714 19-May-2015 11:43
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Actually - one of the most reliable and stylish 7-seaters around is the Honda Stream. 

Make sure you get the 2L not the 1.7 and you'll have a great car that is trouble free for a long time. 

I personally have a Subaru Traviq (which is a re-badged Opel Zafira) and I like it...but don't love it. 

The Honda Stream has the same seating arrangement, which means a nice flat boot and lots of leg room, but they are a nicer car all round. 




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  # 1307717 19-May-2015 11:51
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I had never come across single pressage or a stream from my trademe searches. Maybe they are priced more. So no i didn't and won't.




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  # 1307748 19-May-2015 12:38
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Bought the M-in-Law a 2005 Wish last year.  Nice  car lots of room.  A bit thirsty   but it's good for what she wants it for..  The only thing I don't like about it is the transmission selector on the dash.  Would rather it was on the steering wheel for this sort of vehicle....




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  # 1307758 19-May-2015 13:04
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joker97: I had never come across single pressage or a stream from my trademe searches. Maybe they are priced more. So no i didn't and won't.


Presage

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-889193887.htm

a few there for under $6500 with less than 100,000 kms

2.5L

which is still not a bad engine size for that package

I see they are 8 seater as well.

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  # 1307761 19-May-2015 13:22
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I would personally go for Toyota, then mazda, Honda and subaru  in terms of reliability, and would avoid other brands.  Would also pay to read teh dog and lemon guide to see what know problems these older cars have. WHen you are buying an old 8-10 year old + car, you start to run into problems when things start to need replacing and fixing, such as timing belts etc. BTW , most of these model names sound like Jap imports, rather than NZ new, so that is also something to consider, as NZ new cars usually sell for a premium as they are made for the  NZ market and conditions, so parts maybe more difficult to get.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1307800 19-May-2015 14:45
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mattwnz: I would personally go for Toyota, then mazda, Honda and subaru  in terms of reliability, and would avoid other brands.  Would also pay to read teh dog and lemon guide to see what know problems these older cars have. WHen you are buying an old 8-10 year old + car, you start to run into problems when things start to need replacing and fixing, such as timing belts etc. BTW , most of these model names sound like Jap imports, rather than NZ new, so that is also something to consider, as NZ new cars usually sell for a premium as they are made for the  NZ market and conditions, so parts maybe more difficult to get.


All brands have their lemons (with Mitsubishi being the exception of ALL being lemons), by far 2 of the most reliable cars I have ever owned has been Subaru Legacy 1999 B4 and the later 2004 Spec B. 

Timing belts are km dependant and ive seen older 2004 cars with lower Kms than 2010 cars, its just something that has to be done. Buy under 100,000 kms and take the hit, or by over 100,000 kms and potentially have to do things other than a cambelt that are now getting older.

On the NZ new thing, you'll find that 99.9% parts are exactly the same as found in japanese models, unless you wanted say a switch with english on it or a NZ/AUS navigation system. The things that wear out on a NZ New will be the same things you'll be replacing on the same model sold in Japan (suspension components, cambelts, sensors etc)






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  # 1307805 19-May-2015 14:54
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heylinb4nz:
joker97: I had never come across single pressage or a stream from my trademe searches. Maybe they are priced more. So no i didn't and won't.


Presage

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-889193887.htm

a few there for under $6500 with less than 100,000 kms

2.5L

which is still not a bad engine size for that package

I see they are 8 seater as well.


Skirts on a people mover? really?




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  # 1307816 19-May-2015 15:09
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heylinb4nz:
mattwnz: I would personally go for Toyota, then mazda, Honda and subaru  in terms of reliability, and would avoid other brands.  Would also pay to read teh dog and lemon guide to see what know problems these older cars have. WHen you are buying an old 8-10 year old + car, you start to run into problems when things start to need replacing and fixing, such as timing belts etc. BTW , most of these model names sound like Jap imports, rather than NZ new, so that is also something to consider, as NZ new cars usually sell for a premium as they are made for the  NZ market and conditions, so parts maybe more difficult to get.


All brands have their lemons (with Mitsubishi being the exception of ALL being lemons), by far 2 of the most reliable cars I have ever owned has been Subaru Legacy 1999 B4 and the later 2004 Spec B. 

Timing belts are km dependant and ive seen older 2004 cars with lower Kms than 2010 cars, its just something that has to be done. Buy under 100,000 kms and take the hit, or by over 100,000 kms and potentially have to do things other than a cambelt that are now getting older.

On the NZ new thing, you'll find that 99.9% parts are exactly the same as found in japanese models, unless you wanted say a switch with english on it or a NZ/AUS navigation system. The things that wear out on a NZ New will be the same things you'll be replacing on the same model sold in Japan (suspension components, cambelts, sensors etc)







Yes, although some imported models are never imported new into NZ by the manufacturer, so the there won't be the availability of those parts, as they would only import parts for models they have imported themselves. But if you chose a toyota, they often share parts across most models. For example you often see RAV4 parts in premium Lexus models. Timing belts are also based on time, as well as KM. Often it is 5 years or 100,000km, whichever comes sooner. So if you buy a 10 year old car that has only done 70,000km, it will be well overdue for a new timing belt if it has never been changed. European cars seem to require them to be changed sooner I have found, eg cam belt replacing at 80,000km. But I would suggest avoiding cars with a cam belt, and get one with a chain instead.

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  # 1307818 19-May-2015 15:11
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MikeB4:
heylinb4nz:
joker97: I had never come across single pressage or a stream from my trademe searches. Maybe they are priced more. So no i didn't and won't.


Presage

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-889193887.htm

a few there for under $6500 with less than 100,000 kms

2.5L

which is still not a bad engine size for that package

I see they are 8 seater as well.


Skirts on a people mover? really?



Hey if you have to have the indignity of owning and driving a people mover you may as well look semi good on the road.

now the Bismoto Odyssey is a different story ? one people mover id love to own.

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  # 1307822 19-May-2015 15:23
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mattwnz:
heylinb4nz:
mattwnz: I would personally go for Toyota, then mazda, Honda and subaru  in terms of reliability, and would avoid other brands.  Would also pay to read teh dog and lemon guide to see what know problems these older cars have. WHen you are buying an old 8-10 year old + car, you start to run into problems when things start to need replacing and fixing, such as timing belts etc. BTW , most of these model names sound like Jap imports, rather than NZ new, so that is also something to consider, as NZ new cars usually sell for a premium as they are made for the  NZ market and conditions, so parts maybe more difficult to get.


All brands have their lemons (with Mitsubishi being the exception of ALL being lemons), by far 2 of the most reliable cars I have ever owned has been Subaru Legacy 1999 B4 and the later 2004 Spec B. 

Timing belts are km dependant and ive seen older 2004 cars with lower Kms than 2010 cars, its just something that has to be done. Buy under 100,000 kms and take the hit, or by over 100,000 kms and potentially have to do things other than a cambelt that are now getting older.

On the NZ new thing, you'll find that 99.9% parts are exactly the same as found in japanese models, unless you wanted say a switch with english on it or a NZ/AUS navigation system. The things that wear out on a NZ New will be the same things you'll be replacing on the same model sold in Japan (suspension components, cambelts, sensors etc)







Yes, although some imported models are never imported new into NZ by the manufacturer, so the there won't be the availability of those parts, as they would only import parts for models they have imported themselves. But if you chose a toyota, they often share parts across most models. For example you often see RAV4 parts in premium Lexus models. Timing belts are also based on time, as well as KM. Often it is 5 years or 100,000km, whichever comes sooner. So if you buy a 10 year old car that has only done 70,000km, it will be well overdue for a new timing belt if it has never been changed. European cars seem to require them to be changed sooner I have found, eg cam belt replacing at 80,000km. But I would suggest avoiding cars with a cam belt, and get one with a chain instead.


I see what you mean RE jap imports and parts, but you'd be talking about some super obscure models and even then it would be on only a few parts.

Lots of places outside of dealership sell universal parts, many are not even made by the manufacturer (ie sensors), that also get parts from Amayama, RHD Japan or ebay via DHl\FedX within 4 days. Often cheaper than NZ retailers, and the dealership.

 

 

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  # 1307825 19-May-2015 15:27
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I can only talk about my experience with a 2005 Mazda Premacy. 
We love it.  We would happily buy another (later model) if and when. 
We replaced a Nissan Primera stationwagon and the Premacy for us is so much more flexible ranging from a big stationwagon with lots of headroom for carrying (yes even a dishwasher fitted in the back upright, just.)
Able to carry four adults in comfort and two more in the very back, O.K. but a bit tight on entry and exit. The so called 7th seat, is only suitable for a very small child, although I would not risk putting a child in anything but a proper seat with a full seatbelt, or proper childseat.
Power has never been a problem for us, even with a full load, and the sllghtly higher seat position aids the view ahead.
We were lucky, and got a model with both forward and reversing cameras, so absolutely brilliant for parking..

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  # 1307847 19-May-2015 15:58
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joker97: I had never come across single pressage or a stream from my trademe searches. Maybe they are priced more. So no i didn't and won't.


What part of the country are you restricting your searches too?

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  # 1307887 19-May-2015 17:30
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this is weird. I have not seen either of those 2 linked cars!

this is my search

< $10,000
2004 +
< 120,000 ks

no other restrctions!

maybe they put higher price brackets, or the search is a bit inconsistent. I know that when you hit advanced search everything goes wonky eg you can't alter the parameters, but rather have to start over.




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