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#317841 20-Nov-2024 15:48

so an old horse truck was given a speeding ticket for going at 213km/hr

driver says the thing won't go faster than 100

police admit sometimes the speeding camera has problems with big vehicles, ticket cancelled

my question is - what's the mechanism? speed cameras can be wrong? how?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/speeding-ticket-shock-horse-float-driver-hit-with-213-kmh-notice-police-admit-error/7ZSION6KGBFEPHYDXMZ5AHRVB4/

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#3311008 20-Nov-2024 15:51

Technology isn't always perfect.

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#3311011 20-Nov-2024 16:01

Reflects off the big thing, off another vehicle heading towards it, and back off the big thing again. Not sure why it would not lock onto the lower frequency from the single reflection but perhaps the big thing was going below the threshold by so much that it was ignored?

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#3311013 20-Nov-2024 16:05

scuwp:

Technology isn't always perfect.

And neither are people "McKennie said all infringement offences detected by safety cameras were reviewed by an authorised member of the PIB before any notice was issued."

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#3311015 20-Nov-2024 16:09

It's usually due to two objects, where one is not visible in the photo used as 'evidence'. It would require the checking of adjacent photos to see if something else caused a false reading.

Moving objects in the background, such as trains, can also cause issues.

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#3311030 20-Nov-2024 16:25

scuwp:

Technology isn't always perfect.

if that's the case shouldn't all speed cameras be removed?

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#3311031 20-Nov-2024 16:25

SheriffNZ:

scuwp:

Technology isn't always perfect.

And neither are people "McKennie said all infringement offences detected by safety cameras were reviewed by an authorised member of the PIB before any notice was issued."

but how does looking at the photograph tell the member of the PIB whether the car was going at 123 or 93?

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#3311037 20-Nov-2024 16:37

but how does looking at the photograph tell the member of the PIB whether the car was going at 123 or 93?

It doesn't, but looking at the photo might suggest to the member that the vehicle might not actually be capable of the 213k/hr reported speed.

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#3311042 20-Nov-2024 16:48

SheriffNZ:

but how does looking at the photograph tell the member of the PIB whether the car was going at 123 or 93?

It doesn't, but looking at the photo might suggest to the member that the vehicle might not actually be capable of the 213k/hr reported speed.

then why was the speeding ticket sent out? looking at a picture is no way of telling what speed something is going at.

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#3311047 20-Nov-2024 16:53

Batman:

then why was the speeding ticket sent out? looking at a picture is no way of telling what speed something is going at.

The point of the article is that it shouldn't have been sent out. I don't know horse floats very well, but a 2009 Nissan Diesel horse float would struggle to reach that speed if dropped out of a plane. A little bit of common sense by the reviewing officer should have stopped the ticket from being sent out.

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#3311048 20-Nov-2024 17:06

Batman:

SheriffNZ:

It doesn't, but looking at the photo might suggest to the member that the vehicle might not actually be capable of the 213k/hr reported speed.

then why was the speeding ticket sent out? looking at a picture is no way of telling what speed something is going at.

It says right there in the article. A person made a mistake. It's been acknowledged and put right.

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#3311070 20-Nov-2024 17:35

But the speed camera also made a mistake, inasmuch as it took the photo claiming the horse float was what was going that fast. How can anyone be sure any claimed infringements are correct, at the very least with regards to that particular camera?

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#3311096 20-Nov-2024 18:38

RunningMan:

It says right there in the article. A person made a mistake. It's been acknowledged and put right.

so the speeding camera is wrong, the person checking a still photograph makes a mistake, and we are all supposed to pay speeding ticket fines that may or may not be accurate?

i'm just asking for the mechanism of how the speeding camera got this one so wrong and how the rest of the speeding fines are 100% spot on, that's all.

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#3311184 20-Nov-2024 20:58

Batman:

RunningMan:

It says right there in the article. A person made a mistake. It's been acknowledged and put right.

so the speeding camera is wrong, the person checking a still photograph makes a mistake, and we are all supposed to pay speeding ticket fines that may or may not be accurate?

i'm just asking for the mechanism of how the speeding camera got this one so wrong and how the rest of the speeding fines are 100% spot on, that's all.

It was explained to you by 2 posters in the first few posts, it reflects off multiple objects and causes it to show the incorrect speed. It sometimes happens in the right conditions, but i would suspect it's not very often at all.

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#3311221 20-Nov-2024 22:45

Slightly off topic..
I have a GPS tracked company car.

Once, the GPS registered me at 248km/h.

On Apollo Drive, Albany....

That's a pretty mean feat TBH.

Apollo Drive is a busy road in a light industrial area,
and is a major feeder road for surrounding suburbs.

24km/hr on a good day....

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#3311231 21-Nov-2024 06:27

The real and only question before any debate should be:

”how does the data get populated into the letter template”?

this would bring so many questions itself…

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