Domestic NZ travel and potential for forced turnover of device logins?

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#2153094 1-Jan-2019 23:28

How does this effect medical records carried on laptops?

I'm thinking private specialists who have copies of clinic letters on encrypted drives on their laptops who travel to australia and plan on doing some work/be in touch with nz while away.

Get done by customs for not giving passwords vrs done by medical council / health an disability commissioner for breaching confidentiality.

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#2153095 1-Jan-2019 23:44

alasta: Does this power extend to them being given access to password managers and Internet banking?

The way most people talk, it seems like the only requirement is for you to unlock the device so that police / govt can view the contents of the device. No specific mention was ever made about unlocking apps or encrypted vaults. I hope that unlocking these would be a bridge too far.

alasta: If so are there any fishhooks in deleting those apps prior to travelling and reinstalling them when you arrive home?

If by fishhooks you mean gotchas or things to be aware of, then yes, there are a few generic things to watch out for

Does the app do any type of cloud backup?
1. If yes, then you can most likely restore your user data. You will still have to do the initial log in & configuration process. These two are generally lost during app re-install.
2. If no, it's most likely a completely new log in to the app again
Is 2FA required for this app. Make sure you have backup access codes available or some other type of access to your authenticator app for your time based random 6 digits.
Mobile banking apps always seem to register as a new device. Here is an example from ASB
Basically, it's very much app & platform dependant. Try / practice before you are in need of doing this.

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#2153098 1-Jan-2019 23:56

Last time I travelled to the states they had fields on their arrivals card which went something along the lines of:

- Do you wish to provide your social media account details: yes/no

If yes:
- Facebook : username / password
- Other service : username / password

I can't imagine many people would tick yes, but it's a hint that it may not be optional in future..

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#2153108 2-Jan-2019 06:52

insane:

Last time I travelled to the states they had fields on their arrivals card which went something along the lines of:

- Do you wish to provide your social media account details: yes/no

If yes:
- Facebook : username / password
- Other service : username / password

I can't imagine many people would tick yes, but it's a hint that it may not be optional in future..

There isn't anything like this on the arrivals card and never has been.

When you apply for an ESTA there is an optional entry to provide social media usernames, but there is no requirement for passwords.

There has been talk of extending this for those applying for a Visa, but Visa waiver countries (incl NZ) would be exempt.

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#2153110 2-Jan-2019 07:44

sbiddle:

insane:

Last time I travelled to the states they had fields on their arrivals card which went something along the lines of:

- Do you wish to provide your social media account details: yes/no

If yes:
- Facebook : username / password
- Other service : username / password

I can't imagine many people would tick yes, but it's a hint that it may not be optional in future..

There isn't anything like this on the arrivals card and never has been.

When you apply for an ESTA there is an optional entry to provide social media usernames, but there is no requirement for passwords.

There has been talk of extending this for those applying for a Visa, but Visa waiver countries (incl NZ) would be exempt.

In the last ten years probably around 500000 killed in road deaths and by guns in the USA. Not to mention the life changing injuries. In the same time how many by terrorism incidents on a plane? Imagine how many lives they would have saved if all the trillions spent in the middle east and on the TSA had been spent on roading and public transport plus gun controls.

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#2153116 2-Jan-2019 08:43

Thanks for the advice posted above.

Completely wiping and restoring devices is too extreme for me - I would rather just leave them at home. I think the best option is to log out of my iCloud account before travelling, as well as utilising the travel feature on 1Password as mentioned above, and hope for the best.

I did a bit of research last night and the difference between NZ and Australia is quite interesting. The NZ customs web site states that officers must have reasonable grounds to suspect criminal activity, and any inspections will be done with the device on flight mode so that they are only examining content on the device itself. However, Australian authorities are not upfront about their processes and third party web sites seem to suggest that they pretty much have a free license to do whatever they like.

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#2153122 2-Jan-2019 09:17

I have some tinfoil hats for sale, will prevent The Man using Government Mind Probes from accessing your memory.

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#2153155 2-Jan-2019 11:28

How long until they ask you for cloud passwords then it not matter whether you bring laptop with you..

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#2153271 2-Jan-2019 15:59

afe66: How long until they ask you for cloud passwords then it not matter whether you bring laptop with you..

Then just tell them that you don't have any cloud or social media services.

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#2153310 2-Jan-2019 16:15

alasta:
afe66: How long until they ask you for cloud passwords then it not matter whether you bring laptop with you..

Then just tell them that you don't have any cloud or social media services.

The truth is, I don’t have FB, Twitter or Instagram accounts - or anything similar. I have wondered whether the US authorities would believe me if/when I was asked and I told them that.

The closest I have is GZ and that’s well-known to be highly subversive - so I guess I’m doomed anyway.

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#2153471 2-Jan-2019 18:59

If you turn the device off rather than just leaving it locked it generally requires a password rather than a fingerprint scan. Depending on the settings the device will wipe after a number of failed password attempts. I don't have anything to hide but giving up your right to privacy because of that is just naive. Look at the social credit system in China for the logical extension of where all this is going. War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength.

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#2153532 2-Jan-2019 22:49

landcruiserguy:

If you turn the device off rather than just leaving it locked it generally requires a password rather than a fingerprint scan. Depending on the settings the device will wipe after a number of failed password attempts. I don't have anything to hide but giving up your right to privacy because of that is just naive. Look at the social credit system in China for the logical extension of where all this is going. War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength.

Please let us know how that works out for you.

$5,000 fine and your device gets confiscated anyway.

They must have reasonable cause and they are looking for organised criminal activity, child trafficking, etc. They won't give a toss about anything else. Do you really think they have time for searching the device of any ole tom dick or harry? If they are asking for your device you are probably already on Interpol's (or insert major Police organisation of your choice) watch list or are known/suspected to be linked to organised crime/terrorist group. They always had the power to seize anyway. Storm - teacup.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/10/customs-to-fine-travellers-who-dont-hand-over-device-passwords.html

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#2153549 3-Jan-2019 07:37

scuwp:

Please let us know how that works out for you.

$5,000 fine and your device gets confiscated anyway.

What if your name is similar to someone who is on a list somewhere? I'm pretty sure my work will not let me give up my work phone or laptop. In which case I guess they're going to cover the $5000 fine.

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#2153552 3-Jan-2019 07:53

For some people the answer might be to travel with a cheap new phone set up with a new email, & if asked tell them you got tired of twitter and deleted your account.

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#2153654 3-Jan-2019 09:20

mudguard:

scuwp:

Please let us know how that works out for you.

$5,000 fine and your device gets confiscated anyway.

What if your name is similar to someone who is on a list somewhere? I'm pretty sure my work will not let me give up my work phone or laptop. In which case I guess they're going to cover the $5000 fine.

The fact you travel internationally and your work is so secretive that this is a concern to you along with the fact your employer you should have proper documented processes in place for dealing with such a scenario really concerns me. You should be discussing this with your employer ASAP.

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