I don't particularly see what there is to negotiate. They're anti-mandate ? Tough. Its staying. Now what ?

No ones wants to negotiate, entering into a negotiation legitimises their cause. 

rb99:

 

I don't particularly see what there is to negotiate. They're anti-mandate ? Tough. Its staying. Now what ?

 

They aren't negotiating the mandate, they are negotiating what is required to get them to leave. It may be that they want JA to agree to meet with them to hear their grievances and concerns. These people know they aren't going to overturn a national covid response, they want to have their situation heard, I believe.

Physical violence will be the last resort to remove them as it should be.

People drawing parallels to how other countries handle these matters should consider the other things that those countries have that we don't. Would the majority of Kiwi's want to live in a Singapore type environment, just so that we can violently disband protesters who's views we disagree with? I'd imagine the number of people who fit that desire would be smaller than those protester groups.

I would say they might want to have their point of view heard, but their situation ? any situation they're in is entirely of their own making.

networkn:

 

People drawing parallels to how other countries handle these matters should consider the other things that those countries have that we don't. Would the majority of Kiwi's want to live in a Singapore type environment, just so that we can violently disband protesters who's views we disagree with? I'd imagine the number of people who fit that desire would be smaller than those protester groups.

 

Plenty of people would rather have seen this kind of idiocy dealt with when it was limited to the Auckland Domain, when it was disrupting the enjoyment of public spaces months ago. What you are seeing today is a direct result of the 'hands off' approach - all that's happened is the idiots have gotten bolder.

This isn't a case of 'disagreeing' with anyone, these are at times violent and threatening individuals that have compromised the seat of a representative democracy. This is no longer a cheerful exchange of views in good faith - we're so far beyond that. The right to protest exists, for sure, but other New Zealanders have a right to access the parliamentary grounds, to move about their city, to functional political representation. We are being denied those rights. 

The criminal trespass is one thing, but the threats to MPs, journalists and occupation of the parliamentary precinct should be seen as chilling.

Eva888: The Powers could have shown the kindness that is preached and ordered pizzas for ONLY the children to feed the little ones who were there through no fault of their own. Such action would have had more effect in softening the protestors' stance and opening them up to negotiation instead of making them angrier, more stubborn and prolonging this.

Eva888: I think they need to ask the crowd to choose say five members of the anti mandaters to act as negotiators.

That simply won't happen. The agitators amongst them wouldn't allow it and anyway the majority of them are anti establishment so don't recognize the police's authority.

Clear the roads around the area so other people can get back to normal and let them rot there.

Eva888: It was upsetting for me learning that a lot of children were at the protest in a cold Southerly and yet the sprinklers were turned on underneath them and music blaring into their little ears as they stood in mud.

I imagine most of the original ant-mandate group left days ago. There is just a bunch of low life misfits left who are just anti everything.

Nobody should talk to them. It gives them a reason to stay.

The intent is to cause as much chaos as possible for as long as possible for their Metaverse.
Main organizers who are probably doing quite well from various patronage money schemes.
Social media is in control not the diverse people who think they lead the protest.

The irresponsible messaging to people that they have absolute right as sovereign citizens and free range humans.
To claiming that people can avoid any sanction by a few words and supposed archaic rights that don't exist.

Those pushing for kidnapping people, tying them and killing them, along with seizure of parliament, and control of country.
Establish a USA Evangelical/Pentecostal dictatorship. 

The courts have already failed, by not putting people in remand until they co-operate.
Courts tippy toeing around these people.
Oh see you can avoid charges by just ignoring the courts !

Now we have free parking !!!!  Every protest for anything from now on will expect this all as of a right.

This is not a protest that intends to stop or have an end date from making their point.
They want a change in law, a change in government, maybe a bit of social media gold like a lynching.

GV27:

 

Plenty of people would rather have seen this kind of idiocy dealt with when it was limited to the Auckland Domain, when it was disrupting the enjoyment of public spaces months ago. What you are seeing today is a direct result of the 'hands off' approach - all that's happened is the idiots have gotten bolder.

 

This isn't a case of 'disagreeing' with anyone, these are at times violent and threatening individuals that have compromised the seat of a representative democracy. This is no longer a cheerful exchange of views in good faith - we're so far beyond that. The right to protest exists, for sure, but other New Zealanders have a right to access the parliamentary grounds, to move about their city, to functional political representation. We are being denied those rights. 

 

The criminal trespass is one thing, but the threats to MPs, journalists and occupation of the parliamentary precinct should be seen as chilling.

 

I feel you are overstating this somewhat. Parliament is still running, the cabinet is still meeting, the country is still operating.

There is an element of truth to some of it, and any threats or acts of violence toward anyone, should be dealt with by the police appropriately.

Protesters disrupt, it's how they get their attention. It's kind of the point. From the harbour bridge protestors and everything in between.

GV27:

 

Plenty of people would rather have seen this kind of idiocy dealt with when it was limited to the Auckland Domain, when it was disrupting the enjoyment of public spaces months ago. What you are seeing today is a direct result of the 'hands off' approach - all that's happened is the idiots have gotten bolder.

 

Dealt with how exactly?

networkn:

 

Protesters disrupt, it's how they get their attention. It's kind of the point. From the harbour bridge protestors and everything in between.

 

There's a huge difference between protesters marching down a street with permission and escort from Police and occupying a parliamentary precinct and threatening journalists.

networkn:

 

Dealt with how exactly?

 

Maybe they could have done more with the Auckland Domain protests than just asking Brian Tamaki really nicely if he wouldn't mind not organising gatherings that breached lockdown, if it wasn't too much trouble.