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  #2342515 23-Oct-2019 16:21
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The UK has no written constitution. Just a set of laws that have evolved over the centuries which everybody, except the Monarch I believe, has to abide by.

 

 




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  #2342520 23-Oct-2019 16:36
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SJB:

 

The UK has no written constitution. Just a set of laws that have evolved over the centuries which everybody, except the Monarch I believe, has to abide by.

 

 

Of course it has one (as does NZ). 

 

That's how everybody knows the rules - including the judges.

 

It's just not summed up in one document.





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  #2342529 23-Oct-2019 16:55
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elpenguino:

 

SJB:

 

The UK has no written constitution. Just a set of laws that have evolved over the centuries which everybody, except the Monarch I believe, has to abide by.

 

 

Of course it has one (as does NZ). 

 

That's how everybody knows the rules - including the judges.

 

It's just not summed up in one document.

 

 

Well you could have a written constitution like the US does, then end up with a leader who treats it like the bible - picking the bits he likes and saying "so what" about ignoring the rest.




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  #2342563 23-Oct-2019 18:26
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Here we see the Prime Minister wearing the Yellow Mop wig, which is believed to symbolise a willingness for Britain to come clean with Brussels. Evidence suggests the first British PM to request a Brexit extension came to Brussels with a tattered yellow mop, but there are competing theories as to why tradition holds it must be worn on the head. In his left hand, we see the Letter of Obligation which is traditionally a polite but informal request for extension, and in his right the Letter of Intent which formally signifies Britain's desire for a harmonious relationship with all peoples. And as you can see, he approaches the Conference Table using the curious foot-dragging gait that represents Britain's reluctance to offend.

 

In just a moment we expect to see the President of the European Union exhale the ritual Sigh of Resignation - and yes, there it is! - this year the President has been practising his eye roll technique and he's really playing it up for the cameras...





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  #2343405 25-Oct-2019 10:07
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BBC News - Brexit: Boris Johnson to try for 12 December election

 

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The PM has said he will give MPs more time to debate his Brexit deal, if they agree to a 12 December election.

 

Boris Johnson told the BBC he expected the EU to grant an extension to his 31 October deadline, even though he "really" did not want one.

 

But Jeremy Corbyn said he would not support an election until a no-deal Brexit is "off the table".

 

EU leaders are expected to give their verdict on delaying Brexit for up to three months on Friday.

 

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg told MPs the government would on Monday table a motion calling for a general election.

 

Under the 2011 Fixed-Term Parliament Act, two-thirds of MPs must vote for a general election before one can be held. ...

 





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  #2345980 29-Oct-2019 19:31
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Yet another defeat for Boris ...

 

BBC News - Brexit: Boris Johnson to make fresh general election bid

 


Boris Johnson will try for a fourth time to secure an early general election, after MPs rejected his plan.

 

The prime minister will publish a bill proposing a poll on 12 December that would only need a simple majority to succeed - not two-thirds as required in previous attempts.

 

However, he would still need votes from smaller parties for it to pass.

 

The Commons backed the government's election motion by 299 to 70 on Monday - well short of the two-thirds majority needed under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.

 

All Conservative MPs backed the motion, but the vast majority of Labour MPs abstained, along with the SNP and DUP. All but one MP from the Liberal Democrats voted against it.

 

The vote came after Mr Johnson officially accepted the EU's offer of an extension to the Brexit deadline to 31 January.

 

This means the UK will not now leave the EU on Thursday 31 October - a promise at the heart of Mr Johnson's campaign to become prime minister.  ...

 

 


The powerful cross-party coalition of MPs who have worked together to oppose the idea of leaving the EU without a deal now have a delay in place until 31 January ... so there is now a window of three months for something decisive to happen ...





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  #2346122 29-Oct-2019 23:14
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To the untrained eye it looks like Johnson is flailing around to attract maximum sympathy before he agrees to Corbyn's demand and the will of the house and the people - to take no-deal Brexit off the table in the short term and hold an election. Farage's selling of a 'better deal' pre-referendum has become a post-referendum 'no-deal' because otherwise Farage is irrelevant.

 
 
 

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  #2346137 30-Oct-2019 07:06
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gzt: To the untrained eye it looks like Johnson is flailing around to attract maximum sympathy before he agrees to Corbyn's demand and the will of the house and the people - to take no-deal Brexit off the table in the short term and hold an election. Farage's selling of a 'better deal' pre-referendum has become a post-referendum 'no-deal' because otherwise Farage is irrelevant.

 

The 'will of the people' was that Brexit actually happen. Trying to invoke it now after all the stunts the house has pulled to stop Brexit from happening is extremely rich. 


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  #2346180 30-Oct-2019 09:51
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gzt: To the untrained eye it looks like Johnson is flailing around to attract maximum sympathy before he agrees to Corbyn's demand and the will of the house and the people - to take no-deal Brexit off the table in the short term and hold an election. Farage's selling of a 'better deal' pre-referendum has become a post-referendum 'no-deal' because otherwise Farage is irrelevant.


The 'will of the people' was that Brexit actually happen. Trying to invoke it now after all the stunts the house has pulled to stop Brexit from happening is extremely rich. 


At this point the will of the people is don't stuff it up and wreck the economy. Looks to me like the elected parliament is doing a good job of representing that sentiment. The idea that parliament is attempting to stop Brexit is laughable. They all know there will be an election sooner or later.

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  #2346220 30-Oct-2019 10:41
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gzt: ... At this point the will of the people is don't stuff it up and wreck the economy. Looks to me like the elected parliament is doing a good job of representing that sentiment.

 

The idea that parliament is attempting to stop Brexit is laughable. They all know there will be an election sooner or later.

 



 

Results of the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum

 

 

Leave was "the will of half the people", leaving the UK in a Brexit deadlock.

 

 

 

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BBC News - UK set for 12 December general election after MPs' vote 

 

By a margin of 438 votes to 20, the House of Commons approved legislation paving the way for the first December election since 1923.





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  #2346237 30-Oct-2019 11:00
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gzt:

 

At this point the will of the people is don't stuff it up and wreck the economy. Looks to me like the elected parliament is doing a good job of representing that sentiment. The idea that parliament is attempting to stop Brexit is laughable. They all know there will be an election sooner or later.

 

And should the election result go towards the Tories, what would the excuse be then? 

 

Given there has already been one post-Brexit election which resulted in a Tory swing, it seems there's a culture of ignoring results that don't fit your narrative. 


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  #2346268 30-Oct-2019 12:08
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At this point the will of the people is don't stuff it up and wreck the economy. Looks to me like the elected parliament is doing a good job of representing that sentiment. The idea that parliament is attempting to stop Brexit is laughable. They all know there will be an election sooner or later.


And should the election result go towards the Tories, what would the excuse be then? 


Given there has already been one post-Brexit election which resulted in a Tory swing, it seems there's a culture of ignoring results that don't fit your narrative. 


Err.. what? Come again?

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  #2346441 30-Oct-2019 20:45
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BBC News - Brexit deal means ‘£70bn hit to UK by 2029'

 

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Boris Johnson's Brexit deal will leave the UK £70bn worse off than if it had remained in the EU, a study by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research * (NIESR) has found.

 

It concluded that GDP would be 3.5% lower in 10 years' time under the deal.

 

The independent forecaster's outlook is one of the first assessments of how the economy will fare under the new deal.

 

But the Treasury said it plans to negotiate "a comprehensive free trade agreement with the European Union, which is more ambitious than the standard free trade deal that NIESR has based its findings on." ...

 

 

* Founded in 1938, NIESR has no party political ties and is the UK's oldest independent economic research institute.

 

 

 

 

First published on POLITICO.eu, Belgium, October 19, 2019 | By Rytis Daukantas





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  #2346938 31-Oct-2019 19:38
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An American view ...

 

The New York Times - What Could Go Wrong With Boris Johnson’s Scheme? Everything.

 

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The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.

 

Oct. 30, 2019

 


Since becoming prime minister in July, Boris Johnson has pursued two goals: exiting the European Union by Oct. 31 (“do or die”) and an early general election. 

 

He failed fairly decisively on the former, stymied by the same political stalemate that bedeviled his predecessor, but on Tuesday he got the elections, which will be held Dec. 12. 

 

The question is whether this will resolve or deepen the impasse over Brexit.

 

Mr. Johnson’s calculations are basic politics. 

 

The polls give him a strong edge; he has a Brexit deal ready to go; his brand of entertaining, irreverent populism is popular on the campaign trail; and his Labour opponent, Jeremy Corbyn, is unpopular. 

 

So: Mr. Johnson leads the Conservatives to a parliamentary majority, achieves Brexit and gets five years in power.

 

But the three-year struggle over Brexit has turned British politics inside out, and plenty could go wrong with Mr. Johnson’s scheme over the next six weeks. 

 

The problem was illustrated by Mr. Johnson’s predecessor, Theresa May, who called snap elections for June 2017 in the hope of translating strong polls into a stronger majority, only to lose the majority and find herself reduced to a nettlesome minority government.

 

That could easily happen again. 

 

Party loyalties have been sharply eroded by Brexit, and many voters are likely to be driven by how they stand on leaving the European Union rather than how they’ve voted in the past. ...

 



 





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  #2347104 1-Nov-2019 10:27
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There are a couple of points that are different this time round that the NYT seems to ignore.

 

Firstly Theresa May was just awful on the campaign trail. She showed absolutely no empathy with the public (it took her 2 days to visit the Grenfell Tower disaster, Corbyn was down there within 12 hours) while Johnson is an affable character who is at least as good a campaigner as Corbyn. He needs to rein in the 'dead in a ditch' type of statements though.

 

Secondly Corbyn was the new kid on the block (at least as far as being a party leader was concerned) and he seemed like a breath of fresh air after god knows how many years of the Tories. After 2 years he looks tired and he sounds like a cracked record going on about the same policies he was proposing back in 2017. He is not very popular amongst the general public according to the polls.

 

One way that the Tories could be snookered is by the smaller parties getting enough seats to form a coalition with Labour. Strangely enough I can see a scenario in which this election leads to Scottish independence because the prIce of the SNP joining in a coalition with Labour would be a new independence vote.


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