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Rikkitic

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#1723556 21-Feb-2017 10:19

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So let us come back in six months and see how things are. If Trump has been removed and we are all living in la-la land we can say we were lucky. If the world has been reduced to ashes we can say 'oops'.

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#1723558 21-Feb-2017 10:20

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Rikkitic:

I don't know what will happen with the 'key issues' and neither does anyone else. It is not the key issues that concern me. It is what Trump may do to American democracy.

Ok at last, a good answer from someone

My opinion, is that free press will look after itself. Its open to the public as to his treatment of the press, that is 90% of the salvation, fools are seen in plain view. He cannot make laws to remove free press, you can bet on that. He cannot change the voting structure to a fascist one either. The Constitution and the judges who have already steppe d in to manage that, will continue to do so.

I feel the global key issues are very important, they affect the US and the globe. But he has shown he struggles to do anything, so I am also less worried about the key issues these days. But still worried. However, globally, the US credibility has dropped severely, so that in itself leaves him less of a threat.

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#1723561 21-Feb-2017 10:22

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I have lived through many decades of imminent apocalypse yet here we still are. The biggest concern and the most likely cause of our demise is climate change and that is where Mr Trump really worries me.

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#1723564 21-Feb-2017 10:23

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Rikkitic:

So let us come back in six months and see how things are. If Trump has been removed and we are all living in la-la land we can say we were lucky. If the world has been reduced to ashes we can say 'oops'.

If so, I will say a big oops. The other scenario is that he is still in power in 6 months, stuff all has been done, he has lied 56 more times, two Acts were reversed, and he hold rallies running his criticisers down. Maybe he may have tariffed us all, set up increaisng rifts with other nations. and the US is avoided as and where possible. Lots to see, but nothing that will be a crisis, IMHO. Either laughable, or we get affected, as we can do for many reasons anyway

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#1723599 21-Feb-2017 11:35

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What I have noticed is a marked increase in political activity from my US friends. Even ones who would normally not wander into the political fray are attending meetings, marches, and are being very vocal in ensuring their voice is heard.

I still think the US will be strong enough to pull through this, but they are certainly facing some testing times.

Putting aside for one moment all the hurt that will probably happen domestically in the US, from a Kiwi perspective the things that concern me the most are:-

- Lack of action on global warming (especially now a climate change denier is heading the EPA)

- Increase in invasive security measures when visiting the US, including being vetted for "mean things" said about Trump on social media

- Increase in tensions between extreme religious factions, resulting in an increase of global terror attacks in the name of each faction's deity of choice

- Serious devaluing of the US dollar

- Isolationism taken to the point where US companies are severely discouraged from offshoring any work

- Possibility of nuclear war due to Trump's extremely fragile ego

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#1723633 21-Feb-2017 12:01

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I have no interest in hearing how he lies, i know he does, I read that here 183 times

Peoples outrage at his lies needs to have at least the same level of stamina as Trump's dishonesty, otherwise it becomes accepted as normal.

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#1723665 21-Feb-2017 12:42

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MikeB4:

The South China sea, .... Neither will risk mutual destruction over a few rocks.

As with the Falklands, the rocks themselves are pretty much irrelevant... their only significance is that they are above high tide. Much more important is the thousands of square miles of sea (and fish) and seabed (and oil reserves) that surround those rocks. The economic value of those resources is what the squabbling is really about. And also why China has been cosying up to the Pacific island nations over the last few years.

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#1723666 21-Feb-2017 12:46

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tdgeek:

I have no interest in hearing how he lies, i know he does, I read that here 183 times

Peoples outrage at his lies needs to have at least the same level of stamina as Trump's dishonesty, otherwise it becomes accepted as normal.

I doubt it will be accepted as normal. His reputation is global and permanent. Nowhere to hide

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#1723672 21-Feb-2017 12:53

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The South China sea, .... Neither will risk mutual destruction over a few rocks.

As with the Falklands, the rocks themselves are pretty much irrelevant... their only significance is that they are above high tide. Much more important is the thousands of square miles of sea (and fish) and seabed (and oil reserves) that surround those rocks. The economic value of those resources is what the squabbling is really about. And also why China has been cosying up to the Pacific island nations over the last few years.

I agree but it is not new, the "West" has been doing it for centuries. It does seem that if the West does it there is no problem, if anyone else does then the end of the world is nigh.

Mr Trump will cede and life will go on, to do anything else will put in question the actions of many western Allies and the US.

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#1723673 21-Feb-2017 12:53

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MikeB4:

The South China sea, .... Neither will risk mutual destruction over a few rocks.

As with the Falklands, the rocks themselves are pretty much irrelevant... their only significance is that they are above high tide. Much more important is the thousands of square miles of sea (and fish) and seabed (and oil reserves) that surround those rocks. The economic value of those resources is what the squabbling is really about. And also why China has been cosying up to the Pacific island nations over the last few years.

Trade threats, Taiwan, these rocks, it all adds up to a frosty relationship between the top two nations. Maybe there will be a non combatant cold war, and as the US sinks further into debt and China progresses on, the Chinese won't be that concerned. Positive long term outlook

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#1723681 21-Feb-2017 13:02

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The economies of China and the US are closely codependent. Both have high levels of mutual debt. There will be political posturing by both sides then business as usual.

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#1723693 21-Feb-2017 13:17

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MikeB4: The economies of China and the US are closely codependent. Both have high levels of mutual debt. There will be political posturing by both sides then business as usual.

The US imports about 4X what it exports, so that is still large both ways. About 8 Billion vs 32 Billion per month. That adds up to a lot of tariff for the US average Joe to pay!

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#1723694 21-Feb-2017 13:17

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MikeB4: The economies of China and the US are closely codependent. Both have high levels of mutual debt. There will be political posturing by both sides then business as usual.

That is assuming, of course, that both sides have rational leaders.

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#1723696 21-Feb-2017 13:21

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MikeB4: The economies of China and the US are closely codependent. Both have high levels of mutual debt. There will be political posturing by both sides then business as usual.

That is assuming, of course, that both sides have rational leaders.

The leaders do little of the negotiating that is left to professional diplomats and civil servants.

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#1723763 21-Feb-2017 14:43

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I listened with interest to British MPs objecting to the visit of President Trump because of his stance on Women, Religion and freedom of the press. I wonder if there would be the same outcry for a visit by the King of Saudi Arabia?
I don't like a lot of what Trump stands for, but don't like hypocrisy much either.....

“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996

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