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#2936958 1-Jul-2022 11:15

I see KiwiBuild is 4 years old today, celebrating with the 1,365th house being completed out of the promised 100,000.

Whilst at the same time this week the government has just clocked up spending over one billion dollars on motels for emergency housing since 2017.

Priorities huh?

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#2936963 1-Jul-2022 11:29

The 100,00th will be ready for occupation in 2315.

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#2937022 1-Jul-2022 12:07

JPNZ:

I see KiwiBuild is 4 years old today, celebrating with the 1,365th house being completed out of the promised 100,000.

Whilst at the same time this week the government has just clocked up spending over one billion dollars on motels for emergency housing since 2017.

Priorities huh?

As fond as I am at pointing out the shortcomings of our Labour Govt, whats the alternative? Motels / Hotels are there now, available to fill demand at the drop of a hat. Houses take time to build and are a longer term fix. The two can (and need to) work hand in hand.

Clearly, the 100,000 homes was never going to happen in the timeframes initially launched, anyone with even half an ounce of common sense could see that, but the headlines of it all were enough to capture the hearts of the voters at the time, logic be damned.

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#2937079 1-Jul-2022 12:36

sen8or:

As fond as I am at pointing out the shortcomings of our Labour Govt, whats the alternative? Motels / Hotels are there now, available to fill demand at the drop of a hat. Houses take time to build and are a longer term fix. The two can (and need to) work hand in hand.

Clearly, the 100,000 homes was never going to happen in the timeframes initially launched, anyone with even half an ounce of common sense could see that, but the headlines of it all were enough to capture the hearts of the voters at the time, logic be damned.

Perhaps some of the comments and absolutism shown in opposition and in the campaigns have come back to haunt Labour. They weren't exactly taking a pragmatic stance.

And I think the problem with parties making unworkable bait-and-switch promises during campaigns should be seen as the fault of the parties making them, not an exercising in shifting blame to voters when they turn out to be unworkable garbage. That's not how accountability works.

E: NZ deserves better than oppositions who dream up fantastical unrealistic policies in opposition, never ground them in any sort of reality, use them as a platform to attack an incumbent government and then get into power only to do even less than the guys you spent years attacking for supposedly not doing anything at all while you promised everything under the sun.

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#2937084 1-Jul-2022 12:44

GV27:

Perhaps some of the comments and absolutism shown in opposition and in the campaigns have come back to haunt Labour. They weren't exactly taking a pragmatic stance.

And I think the problem with parties making unworkable bait-and-switch promises during campaigns should be seen as the fault of the parties making them, not an exercising in shifting blame to voters when they turn out to be unworkable garbage. That's not how accountability works.

E: NZ deserves better than oppositions who dream up fantastical unrealistic policies in opposition, never ground them in any sort of reality, use them as a platform to attack an incumbent government and then get into power only to do even less than the guys you spent years attacking for supposedly not doing anything at all while you promised everything under the sun.

I've said it before, but if Air NZ or other publically traded company, made promises the likes of which the government has made, and failed to deliver them in such spectacular fashion, they would be extremely likely to be facing civil and or criminal charges against the cxo suite.

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#2937088 1-Jul-2022 12:50

networkn:

I've said it before, but if Air NZ or other publically traded company, made promises the likes of which the government has made, and failed to deliver them in such spectacular fashion, they would be extremely likely to be facing civil and or criminal charges against the cxo suite.

Let's not forget that Twyford got promoted up the Labour list in the lead-up to the 2020 election.

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#2937111 1-Jul-2022 13:14

GV27: NZ deserves better than oppositions who dream up fantastical unrealistic policies in opposition, never ground them in any sort of reality, use them as a platform to attack an incumbent government and then get into power only to do even less than the guys you spent years attacking for supposedly not doing anything at all while you promised everything under the sun.

The accusations of bait and switch are unfounded. I don't believe a 100,000 home policy was unworkable or unrealistic. The fact it was not implemented is undeniable.

Freeing up development with that bipartisan agreement was a positive for housing. I expect that will deliver more and faster than the minister's previous efforts.

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#2937113 1-Jul-2022 13:18

gzt:
GV27: NZ deserves better than oppositions who dream up fantastical unrealistic policies in opposition, never ground them in any sort of reality, use them as a platform to attack an incumbent government and then get into power only to do even less than the guys you spent years attacking for supposedly not doing anything at all while you promised everything under the sun.

The accusations of bait and switch are unfounded. I don't believe a 100,000 home policy was unworkable or unrealistic. The fact it was not implemented is undeniable.

I am literally lost for words right now.

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#2937116 1-Jul-2022 13:24

GV27:

Perhaps some of the comments and absolutism shown in opposition and in the campaigns have come back to haunt Labour. They weren't exactly taking a pragmatic stance.

And I think the problem with parties making unworkable bait-and-switch promises during campaigns should be seen as the fault of the parties making them, not an exercising in shifting blame to voters when they turn out to be unworkable garbage. That's not how accountability works.

E: NZ deserves better than oppositions who dream up fantastical unrealistic policies in opposition, never ground them in any sort of reality, use them as a platform to attack an incumbent government and then get into power only to do even less than the guys you spent years attacking for supposedly not doing anything at all while you promised everything under the sun.

It would be nice for all campaign promises to be put through a "BS detector" first before they were allowed to be used in a campaign, but unfortunately its up to the opposition to question the authenticity / achievability of such promises. Also, once rung, some bells can't be un-rung so any questioning of statements is largely ignored. This is also where identity politics come into play. So often critics are dismissed as being sexist / racist / homophobic etc when issues are questioned, deflecting away from the fact that there was a relevant issue that needed to be addressed. Unfortunately, the left are very adept at this strategy.

Whilst the fault may be with the party making the promises, the blame also lies with voters. Our governments aren't put into power by some sort of ruling council, its the voters and unfortunately if too many voters don't question the narrative, its the party that looks the shiniest to them that they vote for.

National tried on a few occasions to poke holes in Labours numbers, only for their own numbers to be found to be flawed. Labours could have been right or wrong, but if Nationals were wrong, any argument is all but null and void.

Now, if we had more than 2 major parties, it'd be nice to be able to enforce a mandatory stand down period if a party's election promises weren't met (get elected with fairy dust promises, fail to deliver, not eligible to stand in the next election) - not sent from the field as such, more just 10 in the bin.

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#2937134 1-Jul-2022 13:30

sen8or:

National tried on a few occasions to poke holes in Labours numbers, only for their own numbers to be found to be flawed. Labours could have been right or wrong, but if Nationals were wrong, any argument is all but null and void.

Uh.... citation needed? National ballsing up a budget spreadsheet doesn't get Labour off the hook for their immensely crappy 2017 election policies.

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#2937136 1-Jul-2022 13:33

gzt:
GV27: NZ deserves better than oppositions who dream up fantastical unrealistic policies in opposition, never ground them in any sort of reality, use them as a platform to attack an incumbent government and then get into power only to do even less than the guys you spent years attacking for supposedly not doing anything at all while you promised everything under the sun.

The accusations of bait and switch are unfounded. I don't believe a 100,000 home policy was unworkable or unrealistic. The fact it was not implemented is undeniable.

Freeing up development with that bipartisan agreement was a positive for housing. I expect that will deliver more and faster than the minister's previous efforts.

Really, had you not taken note of the number of houses that were actually being built in New Zealand around that time? A quick glance at those figures should have been a warning that the 100,000 number was pie in the sky. The fact that so many people believed Labour is almost as unbelievable as the concept of building 100,000 house in the stated time frame.

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#2937138 1-Jul-2022 13:35

gzt:

The accusations of bait and switch are unfounded. I don't believe a 100,000 home policy was unworkable or unrealistic. The fact it was not implemented is undeniable.

They are entirely founded, Labour revised the Kiwibuild costings after the election upwards by $50K because they had out of date costings after insisting that their Kiwibuild policy recycled from previous elections was sound and even after being directly challenged on it during the 2017 campaign.

But hey, who cares what we campaigned on, just have a Town Hall Reset, or Year of Delivery or whatever crap they tried to pull to get away from the stuff they said they'd do but didn't every 12 months and people will still desperately defend your record even after you've walked away from almost all of the flagship policies that got you elected.

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#2937141 1-Jul-2022 13:37

GV27:

Uh.... citation needed? National ballsing up a budget spreadsheet doesn't get Labour off the hook for their immensely crappy 2017 election policies.

Agreed.

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#2937153 1-Jul-2022 14:03

It might not get them off the hook, but if National can't get its own facts straight, how can they criticize someone elses? I agree completely that Labours 2017 election promises were founded in about as much fact as Leprechauns' and the Loch Ness Monster.

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#2937156 1-Jul-2022 14:13

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JPNZ:

I see KiwiBuild is 4 years old today, celebrating with the 1,365th house being completed out of the promised 100,000.

Whilst at the same time this week the government has just clocked up spending over one billion dollars on motels for emergency housing since 2017.

Priorities huh?

As fond as I am at pointing out the shortcomings of our Labour Govt, whats the alternative? Motels / Hotels are there now, available to fill demand at the drop of a hat. Houses take time to build and are a longer term fix. The two can (and need to) work hand in hand.

Clearly, the 100,000 homes was never going to happen in the timeframes initially launched, anyone with even half an ounce of common sense could see that, but the headlines of it all were enough to capture the hearts of the voters at the time, logic be damned.

They alternative would have been to actually build some houses rather than throw dead money at motel owners. You do realise that One billion dollars spent has done nothing concrete to actually solve the problem right?

If they had spent even 1/3 of the motel spend on building some houses (not taking land cost into account) you could have quite easily had 970 x 156sqm (average NZ house size) houses and had 970 families less dependent on emergency housing AND would have $333 million worth of assets that will INCREASE in value.

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