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#849025 4-Jul-2013 02:09

wellygary:
trig42: Will Handbrake do it? I know it will do it from Video_TS folders.

You will need something to strip the copy protection - I think AnyDVD is still the best.

Handbrake will not do BluRay, and by itself will not do commercial DVDs as a stand alone (They removed libdvdcss) - although this can be re-enabled by installing VLC.

I use a combination of MakeMVK, Handbrake and Ripit on OSX to maintain my MP4 library,

to the OP be warned you are gonna get some whoppingly large files with Blueray MVKs ( 20-30 GB easy)

Handbrake can encode Blu-ray (HD) video streams.

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#849026 4-Jul-2013 02:12

NZVengeance:
sbiddle: Whatever you use remember format shifting isn't legal in NZ so you're actually breaking the law!

What about recontainering? a .mt2s file can be renammed to a .mkv with no editing

You can't simply 'rename' an m2ts file to mkv. You have to 'remux' it. The issue, however, would be obtaining the m2ts file in the first place given that Blu-ray discs are protected content on the disc you would need to break that protection first...

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#849043 4-Jul-2013 07:58

So time shift instead? Play DVD, record a copy to watch later.

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#849044 4-Jul-2013 07:59

So Ultraviolet gets around this by the distributor supplying the digital copy?

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#849074 4-Jul-2013 09:07

freitasm:
NZVengeance: NOTE: This is for all my LEGALLY owned PHYSICAL media. I have 2 kids under two and they a wife that isn't careful with Disks so a digital option is much better.

It doesn't matter, still not legal in New Zealand to format shift video, only audio CDs.

mentalinc:
sbiddle: Whatever you use remember format shifting isn't legal in NZ so you're actually breaking the law!

http://www.med.govt.nz/business/intellectual-property/copyright/copyright-new-technologies-amendment-act/faqs/format-shifting/does-the-act-specify-any-special-conditions-that-must-be-adhered-to-when-format-shifting

The above seems to say it's legal for music.

Wouldn't a hard argument to have it apply to video as well.

From the same site FAQ:

Why is there a format shifting provision and why is it limited to sound recordings?

The new format shifting provision responds to the concern that people want to transfer music they have legitimately bought onto different devices to take advantage of new technology. It also recognises this has been common practice for a long time.

The markets for audio visual works and music are evolving, they are different. There are numerous business models for audiovisual works that do not apply to music. Theatrical release, commercial rental (both physical and online models), free-to-air TV and pay TV do not have counterparts of any significant extent for music. It is also unlikely that consumption of audio visual works "on the move" using mp3 players and the like will ever be as ubiquitous as for music. It is not, therefore, possible to simply apply the conclusions reached about music to audio visual works.

The TiVo is not format shift, but time shift.

But what about if you use your TiVo recordings and DeskTop Plus features to convert your video under 'Portable Device conversion' so you can watch it on your iPad - would that not be format shifting?

This is a feature TiVo are selling when you buy the DeskTop Plus key

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#849080 4-Jul-2013 09:15

Still time shift because it is from a live recording, not a digital media.

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#849092 4-Jul-2013 09:36

Handbrake had issues with storing 5.1 audio a while back. Not sure if this is still the case, but I think it related to the PS3 type profiles.

So basically we need a system that stores a digital copy for you to watch at a later date. Time shifted like you honour.

Though obviously the law reference actually formally relates to the fact TIVO stores broadcast material, so unfortunately any reference to TIVO is not really applicable to DVD / Bluray ripping.

It's a bit naff though, in that for home automation/central storage AV distribution etc, you're really expected to have a giant 500DVD jukebox thing taking up an entire cupboard. Really these laws are still orientated back in the days of physical AV media. The real solution then really is to dump all physical media and re purchase your movie content again digitally. I don't think the suppliers would have a problem with that approach.

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#849097 4-Jul-2013 09:43

Have a look at this. I understand it works well and is simple to use. Good email support too if needed.

http://www.pavtube.com/blu-ray-video-converter-ultimate/

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#849099 4-Jul-2013 09:46

Jaxson: The real solution then really is to dump all physical media and re purchase your movie content again digitally. I don't think the suppliers would have a problem with that approach.

Yeah, nah. Re-purchasing digital copies of my 200 movies, 30 concert DVDs and numerous TV series, just so I can set up a streaming media server is not the solution. It may be the only currently available legal solution based on the current status quo, but its hardly practical or fair to the consumer.

The real "real" solution is to get this antiquated law amended so that it is not illegal to format shift legally purchased physical media.

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#849101 4-Jul-2013 09:49

Jaxson: Handbrake had issues with storing 5.1 audio a while back. Not sure if this is still the case, but I think it related to the PS3 type profiles.

Handbrake can be a bit finicky when it comes to finding the right mix of settings to enable streaming to the PS3 (in my case, using Plex as the media server), but I've found a combination that seems to do the trick, including preserving 5.1 audio.

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#849109 4-Jul-2013 09:53

Jaxson: The real solution then really is to dump all physical media and re purchase your movie content again digitally. I don't think the suppliers would have a problem with that approach.

But that avenue leads you to a whole new hurt locker called DRM fragmentation, Some movie studios support one system such as Ultraviolet, while others support iTunes, for consumers to simply watch the movie they want they have to have equipment that is compatible with multiple DRM system...

This is very reminiscent of the early days of digital audio DRM, eventually most of the big players moved to standards without DRM, but until the Movie industry go there, consumers are pretty much forced to break the law if they want to have an equal utility with digital movies (are not tied to any particular brand or type of player) which is the same as they get with physical media....

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#849269 4-Jul-2013 14:03

freitasm: It doesn't matter, still not legal in New Zealand to format shift video, only audio CDs.

And yet you haven't locked this thread or warned any users about discussing ways of breaking that law.

Where is the line on a discussion like this?

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#849276 4-Jul-2013 14:31

hashbrown:
freitasm: It doesn't matter, still not legal in New Zealand to format shift video, only audio CDs.

And yet you haven't locked this thread or warned any users about discussing ways of breaking that law.

Where is the line on a discussion like this?

Well technically its only illegal to format shift from DVD's if you don't own the copyright to them.

I have a few DVD's which I have created over the years myself. Family videos etc ... I am allowed to format shift that video as I please.

Our wedding video for example. I transferred it onto DVD from VHS about 5 years ago. I would love to be able to convert that to MKV.

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#849278 4-Jul-2013 14:40

Jaxson: Handbrake had issues with storing 5.1 audio a while back. Not sure if this is still the case, but I think it related to the PS3 type profiles.

So basically we need a system that stores a digital copy for you to watch at a later date. Time shifted like you honour.
Though obviously the law reference actually formally relates to the fact TIVO stores broadcast material, so unfortunately any reference to TIVO is not really applicable to DVD / Bluray ripping.

It's a bit naff though, in that for home automation/central storage AV distribution etc, you're really expected to have a giant 500DVD jukebox thing taking up an entire cupboard. Really these laws are still orientated back in the days of physical AV media. The real solution then really is to dump all physical media and re purchase your movie content again digitally. I don't think the suppliers would have a problem with that approach.

dclegg:
Jaxson: Handbrake had issues with storing 5.1 audio a while back. Not sure if this is still the case, but I think it related to the PS3 type profiles.

Handbrake can be a bit finicky when it comes to finding the right mix of settings to enable streaming to the PS3 (in my case, using Plex as the media server), but I've found a combination that seems to do the trick, including preserving 5.1 audio.

Handbrake has no issues with 5.1 audio. You're more likely to run into issues with Cinavia if you're streaming via a PS3, however.

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#849282 4-Jul-2013 14:46

Klipspringer:

Our wedding video for example. I transferred it onto DVD from VHS about 5 years ago. I would love to be able to convert that to MKV.

What's stopping you?, download a copy of Handbrake ( its free) and go to town.

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