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#1763703 13-Apr-2017 12:01

Yep, that's right. You should only be requesting a prefix (IA_PD). You shouldn't be requesting an address allocation (IA_NA).

This is indeed similar to how some other ISPs with IPv6 have deployed their service.

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#1763808 13-Apr-2017 13:48

Happy Thursday Kekzone! We hope you enjoy the lovely weather for the long weekend coming up.

Just letting you know that we are now opening up IPv6 availability (still as an experimental / beta feature, for reasons explained in the blog post) outside of the Zone of Geeks. Same caveats as the Geekzone beta, pretty much - we're asking that people only opt in if they know what they're doing and they can troubleshoot any trouble that may arise and needs to be shot.

A big piping thanks from all of us here at Bagpipe for your help in testing this feature. We ask that you keep IPv6 discussion in this thread when possible, so your wisdom may remain for the edification of future generations.

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#1763817 13-Apr-2017 14:01

Following up on my previous post. I am running LEDE (OpenWRT variant) on a WNDR3700v1 - IPv6 appears to be running without any issues.

It was a bit of a learning curve to get ports opened on my IPv6 address, but was able to quite easily following this information here: LEDE Wiki

There are some weird things to overcome in LEDE when opening ports if its for a particular IPv6 address, as for some reason it doesn't register the Internet addressable IPv6 for my PC in the LEDE address table. Manually entered, it works fine. But this is more about the firmware itself rather than BigPipe.

I am home over the next week or so, so will hopefully have some time to mess with the settings and see what happens.

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#1763822 13-Apr-2017 14:06

@JoshBigpipe @IPv6Pipe for the Edgerouter Lite I've updated my router configuration guide (in my signature) to include IPv6 config for both IPoE and PPPoE you can link to. I've had 100% success with this on several routers.

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carlwithaK

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#1763977 13-Apr-2017 17:41

So I've figured out that I do have a "remote LL address", and I can ping that. However when I capture DHCPv6 packets by renewing the interface (which gives errors about the missing /etc/radvd.conf) I only see solicits, no replies:

tcpdump -n -i pppoe0 ip6 and udp port 546 or udp port 547

05:27:06.617633 IP6 (hlim 1, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 93) fe80::4:2:249.dhcpv6-client > ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server: [udp sum ok] dhcp6 solicit (xid=fa333c (client-ID hwaddr/time type 1 time 545027330 802aa8df72d1) (rapid-commit) (elapsed-time 0) (option-request DNS-server DNS-search-list) (IA_PD IAID:0 T1:0 T2:0 (IA_PD-prefix ::/60 pltime:4294967295 vltime:4294967295)))
05:27:07.666155 IP6 (hlim 1, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 93) fe80::4:2:249.dhcpv6-client > ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server: [udp sum ok] dhcp6 solicit (xid=fa333c (client-ID hwaddr/time type 1 time 545027330 802aa8df72d1) (rapid-commit) (elapsed-time 104) (option-request DNS-server DNS-search-list) (IA_PD IAID:0 T1:0 T2:0 (IA_PD-prefix ::/60 pltime:4294967295 vltime:4294967295)))
05:27:09.691752 IP6 (hlim 1, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 93) fe80::4:2:249.dhcpv6-client > ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server: [udp sum ok] dhcp6 solicit (xid=fa333c (client-ID hwaddr/time type 1 time 545027330 802aa8df72d1) (rapid-commit) (elapsed-time 307) (option-request DNS-server DNS-search-list) (IA_PD IAID:0 T1:0 T2:0 (IA_PD-prefix ::/60 pltime:4294967295 vltime:4294967295)))

Any thoughts? thanks

carlwithaK

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#1763979 13-Apr-2017 17:44

Sorry, that output is not super-readable. Here is my attempt at a friendlier version of one of the lines (only the elapsed time changes):


05:27:06.617633 IP6 (hlim 1, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 93)
  fe80::4:2:249.dhcpv6-client > ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server:
  [udp sum ok] dhcp6 solicit (xid=fa333c
    (client-ID hwaddr/time type 1 time 545027330 802aa8df72d1) (rapid-commit)
    (elapsed-time 0) (option-request DNS-server DNS-search-list)
    (IA_PD IAID:0 T1:0 T2:0
      (IA_PD-prefix ::/60 pltime:4294967295 vltime:4294967295)))

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#1763989 13-Apr-2017 18:03

Woooooot!

IPv6 working from a Debian 8 router/firewall.

WIN!

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#1764012 13-Apr-2017 18:47

Reading through this thread, I can't help but feel that IPV6 adoption would be far greater if they didn't make it so overly complicated

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#1764032 13-Apr-2017 19:45

nas:

Reading through this thread, I can't help but feel that IPV6 adoption would be far greater if they didn't make it so overly complicated

IPv6 is "overcomplicated" in this thread, because 95% of these users have intense setups.

Most reasonable RSP's have actually been sending out preconfigured and ready devices for v6.

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#1764040 13-Apr-2017 20:33

I agree with @hio77, most of the issues seem to be people (including me) with non-consumer devices. And I would probably clarify 'they' to the equipment manufacturers, not the ISP. At least - for me - IPv6 is a nice-to-have and the lack of is not yet impacting my internet. There are plenty of replies for people for whom this has just worked, and it would be interesting to know for how many it has worked and they haven't felt the need to post anything.

I also think that having ISPs enable IPv6 like this trial is needed for some of these equipment issues to be discovered. There might be a whole lot more IPv6 consumer rollout happening elsewhere but I'm not aware of that giving any comprehensive cover.

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#1764056 13-Apr-2017 21:04

Compared to ipv4 it's overly complicated and you can't deny that

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#1764067 13-Apr-2017 21:28

Agree with @hio77 the number of people with HG659 tick a box and away they go. in time that box will be pre-ticked for new devices being sent.

the non consumer devices, which are not designed for easy operation are where the difficulty lies.

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#1764069 13-Apr-2017 21:35

nas:

Compared to ipv4 it's overly complicated and you can't deny that

There are a few complications sure.

But you need to remember v6 is kinda new to the market in terms of residential support

v4 has been here for yonks..

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#1764071 13-Apr-2017 21:37

nas:

Compared to ipv4 it's overly complicated and you can't deny that

Most users don't have IPv4 subnets, so shifting from a many to one, to a one to one relationship between hosts and public IPs makes IPv6 seem more complicated. In some ways, IPv6 is actually easier than IPv4. In particular, it makes NAT redundant (although you should have firewall rules instead, but these are no more complicated than port forwarding rules), and SLAAC can replace DHCP, allowing hosts to configure themselves automatically, without a server handing out and tracking addresses.

The temporary addressing feature is probably the most annoying complexity. The feature does restore the obscurity provided by NAT, and in the case of EUI-64 addressing, avoids exposing the MAC address of hardware on the Internet, but otherwise this feature does seem quite pointless to me. It can be turned off if you prefer.

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#1764140 14-Apr-2017 08:00

The setup I currently run, I would never recommend to anyone else unless they really knew what they were doing. Half the time I don't quite know what I'm doing, but i also don't mind breaking something just to figure out how to fix it. I enjoy the challenge, and look at it as a learning opportunity for myself.

My parents in the US both have had IPV6 for over 2 years with their ISPs. They have had absolutely zero issues and their consumer devices picked it up with no problem. They don't even know what it is or how it works, just that their internet works. And trust me, if they can do it, anyone can. I literally had to teach my dad how to search on youtube earlier this week.

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