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#406557 19-Nov-2010 08:23

KiwiNZ:

Telecom has it's price structure because, as in 2000, 90% of the internet traffic in 2010 is international. .

I would like to know where did you get that statistic? I would assume "Most" traffic is National considering Trademe makes up 60% (Or something near that) of the total internet usage in NZ

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#406581 19-Nov-2010 09:13

boby55:
KiwiNZ:

Telecom has it's price structure because, as in 2000, 90% of the internet traffic in 2010 is international. .

I would like to know where did you get that statistic? I would assume "Most" traffic is National considering Trademe makes up 60% (Or something near that) of the total internet usage in NZ

I think you'll find thats 60% of national traffic (and that number will have shrunk considerably and will continue to shrink with TVNZ Ondemand moving to a higher Res and ISky being released).

Also depends on what was being measured, DNS hits? Volume of transferred data?

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#406585 19-Nov-2010 09:17

Lias: At the end of the day, all the issues are caused by Telecom being a for profit company. They want to suck every last cent out of us to maximise profits, especially now that their historically disgusting profits on voice calls are falling.

It's yet another reason to lobby for Telecom to be forcibly (re-)nationalized, not as a traditional SOE but as a "for the benefit of the community" trust, like WEL Energy Trust. Returning profits to the community via annual rebates.

Oh No! A company making money! the horror!

Suck it up, there are plenty of other choices out there.

For billions of years since the outset of time, every single one of your ancestors survived, every single person on your Mum and Dads side, successfully looked after and passed onto you life. What are the chances of that like?

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#406597 19-Nov-2010 09:38

kawaii: That really doesn't address why one is being charged for national bandwidth - why not allow metered free local websites? if the site is locally hosted have some sort of 'logo' the end user can look for to confirm it is unmetered? why don't the ISP's offer a jointly funded 'mirror' project that mirrors high traffic sites to reduce international bandwidth use?

Could it be because national traffic still costs money? Fibre up and down the country, routers, switches, firewalls, connection agreements between providers? As for hosting mirrors, what about servers, storage, maintenance?

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#406602 19-Nov-2010 09:45

boby55:
KiwiNZ:

Telecom has it's price structure because, as in 2000, 90% of the internet traffic in 2010 is international. .

I would like to know where did you get that statistic? I would assume "Most" traffic is National considering Trademe makes up 60% (Or something near that) of the total internet usage in NZ

I'm not at liberty to give precise figures, but it's nowhere near 60% national by volume. The figure above of 90% international is way way closer to accurate.

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#406604 19-Nov-2010 09:52

freitasm:
kawaii: That really doesn't address why one is being charged for national bandwidth - why not allow metered free local websites? if the site is locally hosted have some sort of 'logo' the end user can look for to confirm it is unmetered? why don't the ISP's offer a jointly funded 'mirror' project that mirrors high traffic sites to reduce international bandwidth use?

Could it be because national traffic still costs money? Fibre up and down the country, routers, switches, firewalls, connection agreements between providers? As for hosting mirrors, what about servers, storage, maintenance?

Also, as highlighted in the recent UBA pricing review, the regulator doesn't want to differentiate between national and international data, even though the costs for both are significantly different.

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#406633 19-Nov-2010 10:29

I received a call from Telecom last night to re-assess my telco/BB needs and I ended up getting the same home package deal but the price dropped from $91 to about $83 a month and they added unlimited calls to my Mum in New Plymouth as this was the only number that showed up on my bill.

So not unhappy with that.

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#406659 19-Nov-2010 11:06

LAC: Then that means I would have to make my own ISP that offers unlimited broadband with no strings attached.

So you're got a few spare billion dollars to build your own national network, and you want to invest it in a business that will be run in a way that doesn't make any money?

Good luck with that.

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#406863 19-Nov-2010 18:17

LAC: Then that means I would have to make my own ISP that offers unlimited broadband with no strings attached.

And where are you going to buy all this bandwidth from to feed the terrabyters who will flock to you for a startoff ?

You realise of course that when you buy bandwidth as an ISP you pay for every bit of traffic you use down and up and you don't buy unlimited bandwidth as an ISP, you pay for every gig you use to onsell to huge downloaders..

Why do you think the existing ones all charge by the gigabyte or megabyte ?

Good luck with that !

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#406946 19-Nov-2010 23:05

cafeg:
LAC: Then that means I would have to make my own ISP that offers unlimited broadband with no strings attached.

And where are you going to buy all this bandwidth from to feed the terrabyters who will flock to you for a startoff ?

You realise of course that when you buy bandwidth as an ISP you pay for every bit of traffic you use down and up and you don't buy unlimited bandwidth as an ISP, you pay for every gig you use to onsell to huge downloaders..

Why do you think the existing ones all charge by the gigabyte or megabyte ?

Good luck with that !

ISP's buy bandwidth not data and they do not buy bandwidth at 1:1 rates with users line rates. They buy at a contention ratio that they can afford, example: 400:1 which would be something like 10Mbit for every 40 users, 100Mbit for every 400 users etc.

The principle is somewhat similar to a motorway, if you have 400 cars going south at 8am you don't have a 400 lane motorway, you have 4 lanes and traffic queues and flows.

They charge for data because it's currently the best/fairest way to charge heavier users of a contended bandwidth service more than low usage users.

When you have no limits people will leave things like download managers, torrent programs and online backup agents running 24x7... if enough people do this the contended bandwidth is saturated and general performance for web/email/video suffers.

Unlimited while maintaining decent performance is not economically viable for ISP's until the cost bandwidth both international and domestic comes down to a point where they can afford to provision bandwidth at rates like 5:1 instead of 400:1.

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#406986 20-Nov-2010 02:50

I didn't know what I say on this forum could get my eyes pecked by pigeons. I'm only trying to say that maybe they should offer caped un-metered plans, just like dial up is unlimited bandwidth, may be that but the speed be more. Maybe next time I will use my Sarcasm tags!

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#406990 20-Nov-2010 07:21

Cool, thanks for the good explanation ragnor..
So they buy pipes of bandwidth to service each access point they have or do they buy one big pipe to service everything they do in the country ?

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#407000 20-Nov-2010 08:43

LAC: I didn't know what I say on this forum could get my eyes pecked by pigeons. I'm only trying to say that maybe they should offer caped un-metered plans, just like dial up is unlimited bandwidth, may be that but the speed be more. Maybe next time I will use my Sarcasm tags!

The problem is that you said it in a serious discussion, and as you noted without the sarcasm tags.

There is no way for people to know who is being serious, or sarcastic. There's no body language here, and people go from previous posts - your previous posts seem to suggest your thinking is that "unlimited" is easy the implement, and free for the ISPs, which is not.

There are two units here at play: bandwidth and usage. Bandwidth is measured in megabits per second, usage is measured in gigabytes.

You can't compare dial up with broadband, because bandwidth is ver different. Also dial up is not "unlimited bandwidth". Dial up is a maximum of 56 Kbps. You probably meant "broadband is unlimited usage". Again, very different things.

Yes, your posts will be pecked by pigeons, because otherwise the truth doesn't come out.

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#407008 20-Nov-2010 09:07

freitasm:
LAC: I didn't know what I say on this forum could get my eyes pecked by pigeons. I'm only trying to say that maybe they should offer caped un-metered plans, just like dial up is unlimited bandwidth, may be that but the speed be more. Maybe next time I will use my Sarcasm tags!

The problem is that you said it in a serious discussion, and as you noted without the sarcasm tags.

There is no way for people to know who is being serious, or sarcastic. There's no body language here, and people go from previous posts - your previous posts seem to suggest your thinking is that "unlimited" is easy the implement, and free for the ISPs, which is not.

There are two units here at play: bandwidth and usage. Bandwidth is measured in megabits per second, usage is measured in gigabytes.

You can't compare dial up with broadband, because bandwidth is ver different. Also dial up is not "unlimited bandwidth". Dial up is a maximum of 56 Kbps. You probably meant "broadband is unlimited usage". Again, very different things.

Yes, your posts will be pecked by pigeons, because otherwise the truth doesn't come out.

[serious]I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. Let me explain what I mean. Ok what I mean with the dial up is this, many IPS's don't count the traffic used with it, so what I was thinking is maybe a capped speeds on an unlimited plans like around 1 MB/s download and 256KB upload. I don't remember saying I knew that this would be easy, I'm just saying it should at least be considered.[/serious]

I remembered my tags this time. :D

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#407018 20-Nov-2010 09:55

Problem is, people want it faster than that...speed/data allowance, so you need to make a tradeoff somewhere.

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