ADSL to VDSL using Routers and WIFI extenders

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VSync

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# 132184 11-Oct-2013 15:57

Hello all
I'd like to share some information and alaso wondered if some kind person could give me some feedback to the setup I have.

On upgrading from ADSL to VDSL the dilemma I faced was getting enough coverage to Building 2 (Ref Fig1), as the VDSL Modem didn’t quite have the range I used to have using the ADSL modem. After install we noticed that the WIFI from the VDSL Modem seemed to stutter occasionally, especially noticeable during WIFI gaming. Download and upload speeds were ok over WIFI, 9mb dl and about the same up. Speeds over Ethernet were a vast improvement from ADSL 12mb dl and 0.8 up to VDSL 28mb dl to 9 up, even the ping improved by a few points. I tried searching for a compatible WIFI extender for the TG589vn v2 but failed, also read about others having stuttering WIFI issues like I mentioned with the TG589vn v2.

So I decided to try and use the redundant equipment I had like the ADSL (DSL-2740B) modem as a router attached to the new VDSL Modem (TG589vn v2) then used its WIFI sender to reach the compatible WIFI extender (DAP-1150) and turned the TG589vn v2 WIFI off. (See figure 1.) The DAP-1150 refused to WPS with the TG589vn v2.

It all seems to work but it was good luck than good management and I am not sure if I have made use of its full potential. However the DAP-1150 WIFI does not stutter during gaming like we noticed with just the TG589vn v2 WIFI, but the upload and download speeds are significantly reduced, even tho they are acceptable, at around 4mb dl and around the same up.

My networking skills are very limited and I simply reset the DSL-2740B to factory settings, changed the SSID and WEPA key, used the WPS to pair the DAP-1150 and connected the DSL-2740B to the TG589vn v2 via Ethernet cable. I’m sure if all connections were used in (figure 1) it would fall over but only the Green connections are used at the same time.

I can see the same submask on all devices is 255.255.255.0 and there are no static IP’s anywhere, between all 3 devices the Modem, Router and WIFI extender all seemed to handle the configuration between themselves.

My questions are:
Was there a better way to set this up?
Should I try and understand Bridgeing? (Heard someone discuss this in a post but my knowledge on this is zero, don’t even know what it is.)

I would appreciate any comment as I feel so very nooby around networking.
Thanks for reading.
Regards VSync

PeterReader

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# 913722 11-Oct-2013 15:57

Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that

- you have reset your modem and router

- your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing

- you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap

- your tests are always done on an ethernet connection to the router - do not use wireless for testing

- you read this topic and follow the instructions there.

Make sure you provide information for other users to help you. If you have not already done it, please EDIT your post and add this now:

- Your ISP and plan

- Type of connection (ADSL, ADSL2, VDSL)

- Your modem DSL stats (do not worry about posting Speedtest, we need sync rate, attenuation and noise margin)

- Your general location (or street)

- If you are rural or urban

- If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin

- If your connection is to a ULL or wholesale service

- If you have done an isolation test as per the link above

Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

I recommend you read these two blog posts:

- Is your premises phone wiring impacting your broadband performance? (very technical)

- Are you receiving a substandard ULL ADSL2+ connection from your ISP?

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plambrechtsen

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# 913734 11-Oct-2013 16:02

Have you tried looking at a homeplug / powerline / Ethernet over Power type device.

Like this: http://www.netgear.com/service-provider/products/powerline-and-coax/powerline/XAV5001.aspx#

I've used them successfully in the past to pump ethernet around the house when the AP wouldn't cut it (concrete is pretty hard to get wifi through).

The only issue you can have is sometimes with RCDs but not so much these days.

Inphinity

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# 913744 11-Oct-2013 16:19

Personally I would go with something like a pair of Ubiquiti NanoStations for wireless bridging between the two buildings, if EoP or running a cat6 cable are not options.

Ideal would, imo, be the latter - run a cat6 cable to the second building, with a wifi access point hanging off it.

VSync

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Wannabe Geek

# 913791 11-Oct-2013 18:09

plambrechtsen: Have you tried looking at a homeplug / powerline / Ethernet over Power type device.
Like this: http://www.netgear.com/service-provider/products/powerline-and-coax/powerline/XAV5001.aspx#
I've used them successfully in the past to pump ethernet around the house when the AP wouldn't cut it (concrete is pretty hard to get wifi through).
The only issue you can have is sometimes with RCDs but not so much these days.

I too have used Ethernet over power before and it does work well, I will probably use that for a one faster PC connect from B1 to B2.

Inphinity: Personally I would go with something like a pair of Ubiquiti NanoStations for wireless bridging between the two buildings, if EoP or running a cat6 cable are not options.
Ideal would, imo, be the latter - run a cat6 cable to the second building, with a wifi access point hanging off it.

Thanks Inphinity, however wireless bridging sounds like some tricky stuff, I will need to school myself up on that. Cheers

chevrolux

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# 914144 12-Oct-2013 16:13

If simple wireless bridging is what you want then look at these.

They are simply plug and play and work really well. Obviously the better the line of sight the better the connection but they are fairly powerful little units.

It makes my brain hurt the amount of times I read 'wifi extenders' in your original post. They are generally a waste of time and throughput is crap.

If it was me I would just invest in some good quality wireless access points for each building. A Unifi Pro would be my pick. Or maybe the Unifi AC model if you have compatible hardware. My view towards buying network equpiment is that you spend $3000 on a TV so why not spend even $1000 on some good network gear.

All you need is a few access points, the AirWire kit and maybe a switch and you will be away. No need to muck around with crappy old routers. Just get it done with new gear.

VSync

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Wannabe Geek

# 914163 12-Oct-2013 17:12

Thanks chevrolux
Ill look into that too.

Kirdog

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# 915136 15-Oct-2013 03:54

Probably not right forum but if i will use something like this ( http://802-11.ru/catalog/view/47/ NOT an AD)

I live just 600 m from nearest fiber enable houses.

2 Questions:

1) Can one house be connected with 2 fibers? 1 For house owner and second for me.

2) Is it any legal problems if i will create ~1km Wireless bridge between 2 houses (direct visibility).

Sorry about my English guys :>