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jesterpaul

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#101167 21-Dec-2007 04:17

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I do find it disappointing that Xnet don't tell you the SIP server settings. I have VoIP hardware, now I learn that I'l need to buy more because of this. I'd be intersted if anybody has experienced a comparison between Slingshot iTalk, and the Xnet VFX service. Is it really superior in clarity?

I found iTalk to be a little poor on a 2MB connection some years back.

Anyone have any comments on this? I guess I'm wondering whether the hardware lock in has any benefit other than to the Linksys Xnet relationship.

I'd really love one of you Xnet reps to comment on this. I'm not trying to moan. My mind's open about it, but as yet I'm not seeing what benefit there is to the customer from this policy.

kfella2000

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#101169 21-Dec-2007 05:12

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ninjabear: Problem is they want a phone in their bedroom while the vfx is in the lounge....

I guess you could use a cordless phone but if only the base for the phone can be say used in the existing phone line in their room.

Imagine you have a two storey house and the vfx linksys device is downstairs and your room was up stairs.I suppose if you hear the phone ring in the morning you will need to run downstairs probably trip over and fall down a few steps on the stairs as you haven't fully wake up yet.lol

I wonder if there is a wireless landline phone where it can communicate with a wireless device thats plugs into the the back of the pap2t and the base for the cordless phone can be situated in any place around the house

I think its a bit inconveient to have a vfx line with only 1 phone being plugged in.Even with the adaptor you suggested its a bit of a hassle lining up 3 phones next to the vfx as well as the modem next to it..

A bit ... unrealistic???

With a DECT cordless phone system there is only one base unit hooks up to the phoneline the additional units run off the main base unit. So why not get a DECT system with say 3 phones, plug the main unit into the PAP2T. The base units for the other 2 phones are just chargers to keep the batteries charged. Then these other 2 units could be placed anywhere in the house even upstairs and then you dont even have to worry about the other phone jacks around the house and also no running downstairs and tripping over things either. I have that system here where I have the base unit in my bedroom hooked up to the PAP2T and my son has a second unit in his bedroom up the far end of the house and it works fine.

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#101173 21-Dec-2007 06:33

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jesterpaul: I do find it disappointing that Xnet don't tell you the SIP server settings. I have VoIP hardware, now I learn that I'l need to buy more because of this. I'd be intersted if anybody has experienced a comparison between Slingshot iTalk, and the Xnet VFX service. Is it really superior in clarity?

I found iTalk to be a little poor on a 2MB connection some years back.

Anyone have any comments on this? I guess I'm wondering whether the hardware lock in has any benefit other than to the Linksys Xnet relationship.

I'd really love one of you Xnet reps to comment on this. I'm not trying to moan. My mind's open about it, but as yet I'm not seeing what benefit there is to the customer from this policy.

Hi Jester Paul,

I think I may qualify as a Xnet / VFX rep, so I can answer some of the questions, the one about comparisons between VFX and italk I will leave to others as you will get a very biased answer from me and you really don't want me going on about someone elses offering ,I will get slammed for slander

Now as for the reasons on locking down devices, I appreciate it's not moaning it's just someone not undertsanding our methods and looking for answers so no worries with that, thats what these forums are for if you don't ask you don't know , I have answered this a number of times on this forum actually as it is an important question, it gets asked every now and then so instead of me typing if you have a look here it may answer a few questions and I don't want to get off topic on this thread, the Mods here take a dim view of this

. If you have some more specific questions feel free to start a new thread.

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=65&TopicId=17147&page_no=3

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hads

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#101183 21-Dec-2007 08:15

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jesterpaul: I do find it disappointing that Xnet don't tell you the SIP server settings. I have VoIP hardware, now I learn that I'l need to buy more because of this. I'd be intersted if anybody has experienced a comparison between Slingshot iTalk, and the Xnet VFX service. Is it really superior in clarity?

I found iTalk to be a little poor on a 2MB connection some years back.

Anyone have any comments on this? I guess I'm wondering whether the hardware lock in has any benefit other than to the Linksys Xnet relationship.

I'd really love one of you Xnet reps to comment on this. I'm not trying to moan. My mind's open about it, but as yet I'm not seeing what benefit there is to the customer from this policy.

A little OT for this thread but since you asked for an opinion... I can't speak for iTalk as I've never used it but 2Talk have a great service and will let you connect any SIP device. They don't have incoming numbers in all areas like WXC but the service works well, they have lots of features, and voice quality is excellent.

HTH

hads

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grant_k

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#101190 21-Dec-2007 09:01

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jesterpaul: I'd be intersted if anybody has experienced a comparison between Slingshot iTalk, and the Xnet VFX service. Is it really superior in clarity?

I found iTalk to be a little poor on a 2MB connection some years back.

Anyone have any comments on this? I guess I'm wondering whether the hardware lock in has any benefit other than to the Linksys Xnet relationship.

Originally I signed up with iTalk in April 2006 and bought a PAP2T to use with it. My connection was Kordia Extend with a 512kbps download speed and 128kbps upload. There was no QoS at all with iTalk which meant that you got voice breakup when other internet activity was taking place.

Since switching to Xnet Xtencity and VFX, the increase in call quality has been dramatic. It doesn't matter whether large files are being uploaded or downloaded, the QoS does its job and call quality is maintained. This is because Xnet have end-to-end control of my connection and it pays dividends.

A telling point as to the increased call quality is that the analogue modem in MySky never worked over iTalk. But it does over VFX. There's definitely more bandwidth and quality available with VFX, or that wouldn't be possible.

To get the best out of VFX on ADSL, you need to be an Xnet customer. Apart from the QoS issue, you also get the benefit of free VFX traffic, which at 30MB per hour approximately, can add up over the month.

There are some things for you to consider, hopefully I have answered your question.

Cheers,
Grant.

exportgoldman

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#101259 21-Dec-2007 15:04

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jesterpaul: I do find it disappointing that Xnet don't tell you the SIP server settings. I have VoIP hardware, now I learn that I'l need to buy more because of this. I'd be intersted if anybody has experienced a comparison between Slingshot iTalk, and the Xnet VFX service. Is it really superior in clarity?

I found iTalk to be a little poor on a 2MB connection some years back.

Anyone have any comments on this? I guess I'm wondering whether the hardware lock in has any benefit other than to the Linksys Xnet relationship.

I'd really love one of you Xnet reps to comment on this. I'm not trying to moan. My mind's open about it, but as yet I'm not seeing what benefit there is to the customer from this policy.

There were two main VOIP providers we looked at a year ago, italk or 2talk and XNET, the first one allowed you to plug anything into their VOIP server, and configure everything yourself. It led to massive support problems and a huge range of configurations and hardware configurations and inconsistant quality.

XNET lock down their network and guarentee the quality all the way up to the phone, and has much lower support costs and better quality.

In short XNET works because they provide a full service, and lock it all down. Most people just want a phone that works, and thats what XNET provides.

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hads

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#101260 21-Dec-2007 15:13

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exportgoldman: There were two main VOIP providers we looked at a year ago, italk or 2talk and XNET, the first one allowed you to plug anything into their VOIP server, and configure everything yourself. It led to massive support problems and a huge range of configurations and hardware configurations and inconsistant quality.

2Talk are not iTalk. Everyone I've talked to has had good experience with 2Talk, obviously not the case with iTalk. Their staff also have an active presence in their support forums.

This is fairly off topic for this thread, perhaps it should be moved elsewhere if the conversation needs to continue.

hads

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richms

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#101333 22-Dec-2007 00:17

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kfella2000:

With a DECT cordless phone system there is only one base unit hooks up to the phoneline the additional units run off the main base unit. So why not get a DECT system with say 3 phones, plug the main unit into the PAP2T. The base units for the other 2 phones are just chargers to keep the batteries charged. Then these other 2 units could be placed anywhere in the house even upstairs and then you dont even have to worry about the other phone jacks around the house and also no running downstairs and tripping over things either. I have that system here where I have the base unit in my bedroom hooked up to the PAP2T and my son has a second unit in his bedroom up the far end of the house and it works fine.

Except the range of dect aint all that hot. The dect standard really dropped the ball with its support for repeaters being as bad as it is because in anything other then a 3 bedroom townhouse or an apartment either a repeater or more then one base station is pretty much essential, just as a single wireless accesspoint will not cover a complete house and section, neither wil dect.

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grant_k

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#101357 22-Dec-2007 09:41

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richms: Except the range of dect aint all that hot. The dect standard really dropped the ball with its support for repeaters being as bad as it is because in anything other then a 3 bedroom townhouse or an apartment either a repeater or more then one base station is pretty much essential, just as a single wireless accesspoint will not cover a complete house and section, neither wil dect.

Ahhh, not really...

It depends which DECT phones you are talking about. I have a Uniden 5.8GHz system and just the one base covers everywhere inside one (admittedly small) house but also up to about 100 metres from the house in all directions. In fact, if I stand on a nearby hilltop about 200 metres away, the call quality is crystal clear

Niel

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#101394 22-Dec-2007 13:24

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grant_k:
richms: Except the range of dect aint all that hot. The dect standard really dropped the ball with its support for repeaters being as bad as it is because in anything other then a 3 bedroom townhouse or an apartment either a repeater or more then one base station is pretty much essential, just as a single wireless accesspoint will not cover a complete house and section, neither wil dect.

Ahhh, not really...

It depends which DECT phones you are talking about. I have a Uniden 5.8GHz system and just the one base covers everywhere inside one (admittedly small) house but also up to about 100 metres from the house in all directions. In fact, if I stand on a nearby hilltop about 200 metres away, the call quality is crystal clear

I have a cheap Oricom (Australian brand) which was $50 for 3 phones 1 base from Farmers on a clearance special. I've used it in a factory of about 100m length and had perfect clarity throughout. That is indoors with lots of steel/machinery, not bad.

DECT phones almost always use an OEM module, so as for the DECT performance it does not really matter what brand you buy. They are all about the same. The difference is in the phone features and the quality of assembly.

This is now very much off topic, so let's get back on topic and say that you do not need to rewire your whole house just because the only phone jack is now by the ADSL modem, getting a DECT cordless phone with multiple handsets is definately an option without loss of clarity. But if you want to, it is not that hard to wire the VFX box back into the private side of your phone wiring or to run a long Ethernet cable from the modem/router to wherever you want to place your VFX box.

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ninjabear

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#101436 22-Dec-2007 20:45

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I advised my friend to buy one of those you meantion 1 base with multiple handset so she bought a uniden

It seems thru the telecom line or the vfx line the phone makes a soft fuzzy sound

I just don't know why??

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#101439 22-Dec-2007 20:52

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ninjabear: I advised my friend to buy one of those you meantion 1 base with multiple handset so she bought a uniden

It seems thru the telecom line or the vfx line the phone makes a soft fuzzy sound

I just don't know why??

Probably because she bought one of the cheap Analogue Uniden cordless phone systems instead of the DECT. There is a huge difference in quality between the two.

Either that, or she may have bought a 2.4GHz DECT system and it's suffering interference from WiFi or something else which uses that frequency band.

You need to use a DECT system running on either 1.8GHz or 5.8GHz to avoid this problem.

ninjabear

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#101446 22-Dec-2007 21:02

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It was a 5.8ghz model was dss7815

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#101452 22-Dec-2007 21:17

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ninjabear: It was a 5.8ghz model was dss7815

We have a DSS7915 but I can't see any mention of DSS7815 on Uniden's web site. However, there are plenty of DSS7815 for sale on Trade Me and I have noticed that they are "warranty return product" i.e. have been repaired or refurbished.

I would say that your friend has been sold a dud because the audio quality from our DSS7915 is as good as any wired phone.

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#101468 22-Dec-2007 23:46

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Reposition the base away from any other electronics, the shielding on cordless phones analog side is virtually non existant.

I have also noticed that I get his on a wired phone on my pap2t depending on what its near, too near the cordless base and it picks up a ticking noise as well.

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