Phone on Fiber - Non Standard Equipment Will this work? ONT -> Mikrotik (bridge) -> Netgear Router -> Vodafone Huawei Router -> Phone

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dmbkiwi

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#201534 23-Aug-2016 08:58

This is definitely a non standard setup. I was hoping to avoid a landline over fibre, however, my SO is insisting that we keep the landline, even though she hasn't noticed it's been disconnected for about a month.

I've recently had fibre installed, and because I run a number of services on my linux server from home that the family accesses both inside and outside the LAN, I needed hairpin NAT. The standard vodafone fibre modem/router doesn't do hairpin NAT, so I got a mikrotik router to act as a bridge (adding the necessary VLAN tag) to a router I already had that did do hairpin NAT, which acts as the gateway to my LAN. Everything was good.

However, now I need to add in a landline. So the question is, if I attach the vodafone supplied router to my LAN - turn off DHCP (server) etc, will it (effectively) act as a bridge from the phone to the relevant vodafone SIP server on the outside?

Anyone had any experience with this?

Cheers

Matt

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#1616299 23-Aug-2016 13:25

No. If you hook its WAN port up to your LAN, and set it to connect on DHCP (no VLAN tagging) there's a high chance it will, though.

yitz

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#1616307 23-Aug-2016 13:36

This poster appears to have got it working:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=40&topicid=198107&page_no=3#1595908

It seems you need to reconfigure the existing WAN interface entry in particular removal of the VLAN check box.

mdf

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#1616407 23-Aug-2016 16:21

Holy complicated networks Batman!

No idea whether it would work or not, but the main reason for going with the Vodafone residential VOIP solution is to get end-to-end Vodafone support (i.e. phone not working? Vodafone will fix). And I feel pretty confident in saying they won't support the RGW behind another router behind a bridge. So not answering the question but maybe suggesting a solution to the problem, get a landline from another SIP provider. 2talk isn't the most responsive bunch to deal with but have a pretty robust solution and you can get a local number from 7 bucks a month. Gives you the flexibility to change broadband providers more easily too.

You might be able to get the ATA component of the Huawei router going with 2talk, but other solutions include a phone with SIP built in like a Siemens Gigaset (I use this but others here aren't fans) or Yealink, or a dedicated ATA. I think I've even got an old router somewhere with an ATA built in you can probably have if you want it. If you can set up your network I have every confidence you will be able to get 2talk going no worries.

yitz

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#1616427 23-Aug-2016 17:00

I think it should have been mandated that service providers provide at least the option for standard primary voice to be provisioned on the ONT port.

RGW voice is just too fiddly for the end user and I've yet to see any justification from an innovation stand point within the residential mass market.

DarkShadow

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#1616433 23-Aug-2016 17:11

yitz: RGW voice is just too fiddly for the end user

RGW voice is only fiddly for the small subset of users who like to fiddle with things yet are not skilled enough to understand how it works.

For your average user, it is no difference to a POTS line. They just plug a phone into the socket as they always do (albeit the socket is now on the router instead of the wall).

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#1616450 23-Aug-2016 17:50

yitz: I think it should have been mandated that service providers provide at least the option for standard primary voice to be provisioned on the ONT port. RGW voice is just too fiddly for the end user and I've yet to see any justification from an innovation stand point within the residential mass market.

RGW voice delivers a guaranted end to end solution that means a RSP can deliver voice using the same hardware over whatever medium they want - ADSL2+, VDSL2 or UFB/Ethernet with no requirement to have different provisiioning stacks. Forcing a RSP to offer multiple provisioning stacks for each LFC and Chorus as well as their RGW's is just a crazy idea what adds a lot of complexity.

The vast majority of people simply don't care how their solution is offered, and if a user with a complex solution wants something else they should really be looking at the RSP they opt for.

froob

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#1616474 23-Aug-2016 18:27

dmbkiwi:

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Anyone had any experience with this?

Cheers

Matt

Yes; it's fairly straightforward to get it working.

As Lorenceo and yitz said above, you just need to disable VLAN tagging on the WAN port, then plug the Huawei router into your network via that port. It also makes sense to disable wireless while you're at it.

If you need more specific instructions, the link in yitz's post will take you through the process step by step.

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dmbkiwi

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#1616511 23-Aug-2016 19:48

Thanks. I've gone through that, but on the version of the web interface on the HG659 does not appear to have the ability to edit any settings on the Internet_Ethernet option, and I can't find anywhere to turn off VLAN tagging.

Am I missing something - a hidden settings page?

froob

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#1616517 23-Aug-2016 19:56

Are you logged in as the Admin account, and did you hit the "edit" button just under the Internet_Ethernet options? - That should make the additional settings appear.

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dmbkiwi

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#1616538 23-Aug-2016 21:10

That was it! Once logged in as Admin, the options appeared, and all was (almost) good. I had to manually set the DNS for some reason, but once I'd done that, it all worked!

Thanks all! Wife is now happy(er).