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Topic # 13559 17-May-2007 07:49

Hi guys,

I am currently in Canada, and will be in Canada for a while. We have a big fat 10MB :P pipe into our flat. Anyway I was wondering if it is possible for me to subscribe to a New Zealand VoIP service from Slingshot; or Xnet and get a NZ number so my Whānau in New Zealand can call me on a 09 number

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Reply # 70953 17-May-2007 08:46

You can easily setup an iTalk account. VFX require you to register with a physical address in New Zealand (so that 111 calls will work correctly) and will only allocate you a phone number in the same area code.

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Reply # 70956 17-May-2007 09:23

I know of at least one of our Geekzone users who moved to the U.S. and tool his WxC account with him, including the hardware.

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Reply # 70958 17-May-2007 09:24

I've done exactly this with iTalk - softphone PC client works OK, hardware solution is crap - Linksys PAP2T - and I doubt the problem is with the Linksys.

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Reply # 70982 17-May-2007 11:28

There are a few providers you can buy an Auckland 09 number from and then route it to any SIP softphone or Gizmo
BBPGlobal has 09/04 numbers for nzd99/year
http://www.bbpglobal.com/nz/did.php

VentureVoIP

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Reply # 71026 17-May-2007 16:42

We at VentureVoIP do Auckland numbers for $10 per month to SIP or IAX accounts.

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Reply # 71032 17-May-2007 17:18

VentureVoIP: We at VentureVoIP do Auckland numbers for $10 per month to SIP or IAX accounts.

Hi Matt,

Now not to start flame war on VOIP providers but but can you just clarify a few points here as I have some concerns,

As a reseller of Local Numbers you are saying you will be offering a Auckland Number to anyone from any geographical location and billing address is this correct ? now I say reseller as VentureVoip is not a Carrier member of the TCF and does not have local Interconnects so your numbers must be provided by a Carrier.

You do understand that your number provider under the NAD rules is responsible to comply with geographical number assignment even resold numbers.

You also understand that the provider of these numbers are responsible for all Number Porting requirements as well, and since you are not a member of either the TCF or NAD I just have some concerns on how your service will be offered and setting customer expectations that may not be fully correct.

Look forward to your response

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Reply # 71041 17-May-2007 18:02

Are you saying that New Zealand DDI numbers cannot be sold to overseas customers?

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Reply # 71045 17-May-2007 18:30

VentureVoIP: Are you saying that New Zealand DDI numbers cannot be sold to overseas customers?

Hi Matt

Sorry to say yes that is why we do not do it, Technically yes we can and we would love to ultilise the power of VOIP to the full extent for mobility, any number any where, we have been doing nothing but VOIP for over 3 years now but we can't offer local numbers outside of the calling area of the number assignments because of this NAD requirement, and could be taken to task over it.

that is why I was questioning your offerings, If you do you will be probably be breaking the NAD rules for geographical number assignment that will also be generally be part of a carriers interconnection agreement with Telecom.

This is not an slight on your service, happy to see new VOIP providers on the scene and happy to talk to you about SIP interconnects but just making sure everyone is aware of the requirements, worst thing is that customers get a false sense of what they can have and if it gets regulated then there are going to be some unhappy customers....so all we can hope is the rules change in the future

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Reply # 71050 17-May-2007 18:43

Wow, that's really interesting.

As I said I know of at least one of our peering partners in Wellington that have given us Wellington DDIs - this is not a small carrier, so it suprises me.

Looking through the docs, they don't appear to be signed up to the Numbering Administration Deed so maybe they just don't know.

I also know that DIDX (DIDXChange) has numbers available from New Zealand.

I've been doing VoIP around the world for around 5 years, and 6 months ago moved back from Italy to New Zealand to start up a company dealing with it here, culminating in the production of our Asterisk based embedded IPBX.

Anyway, I'll catch up with you via IM so we can discuss further.

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Reply # 71056 17-May-2007 18:57

VentureVoIP: Wow, that's really interesting.

As I said I know of at least one of our peering partners in Wellington that have given us Wellington DDIs - this is not a small carrier, so it suprises me.

Looking through the docs, they don't appear to be signed up to the Numbering Administration Deed so maybe they just don't know.

I also know that DIDX (DIDXChange) has numbers available from New Zealand.

I've been doing VoIP around the world for around 5 years, and 6 months ago moved back from Italy to New Zealand to start up a company dealing with it here, culminating in the production of our Asterisk based embedded IPBX.

Anyway, I'll catch up with you via IM so we can discuss further.

This also has problems , and we have raised this as a serious issues at a few levels, for example does DIDxChange (might have a issue with their name btw

) contribute to Kiwi Share ??? they provide local Numbers and we as carriers pay large sums of money for our share , if I want to port my number from DIDxChange are they part of LNP , the rules for carriers are that we all comply to LNP yet these types of supplier bypass some of this stuff or are falling through the cracks.........

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Reply # 71057 17-May-2007 19:27

Chances are that they aren't and don't.

Thanks again for all the information.

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Reply # 72345 27-May-2007 08:18

Super Technologies, Inc.'s CTO invented the concept and developed the processes (with the best research and development team imaginable) behind DIDX and the company rolled it out in beta in mid 2005. Today, May 26, 2007, DIDX (DIDXchange) is a consortium of 5500+ wholesale IP communications companies from 200 nations who buy, sell and/or trade DID over SIP, IAX2 and H323. Each company is a member of DIDX and agrees to the same terms and conditions. All wholesale IP communications companies are invited to participate by signing up, completing the 6 step http://www.didx.net/interop and then have at least 20 purchased DID in account at all times or 50 for sale DID in account at all times.

The members buy and/or sell the phone numbers. DIDX (DIDXchange) provides the clearinghouse, marketplace, ecosystem, and environment. Each provider can conduct his or her business with more opportunities for efficiency, flexiblity, versatility, choice, and scalability, all qualities essential to success in a world where dynamic change and competition are a given.

I hope this will help all who read this topic and replies to understand more how DIDX (DIDXchange) works. DIDX does not sell anything. The members do.

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Reply # 72351 27-May-2007 09:35

Almost every country forbids the assignment of geographical numbers to strangers.

Therefire in the UK (0845), Germany (032), Austria (0720) and other countries special destination codes have been introduced for VoIP services.
At sipgate.co.uk, sipgate.de and sipgate.at everyone immediately can get a SIP account including a national number for absolutely free.
However callers are often charged more when calling these networks than regular landlines and some are unreachable from abroad.

Are there no plans for such a non-geographical VoIP destination code in NZ that would allow issuing numbers to foreigners?

Btw, I have 3 invitations for sipgate.de left, that include 333 free minutes to German landlines - if you're interested send me a message.

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Reply # 72357 27-May-2007 10:03

inquisitor: Almost every country forbids the assignment of geographical numbers to strangers.

Therefire in the UK (0845), Germany (032), Austria (0720) and other countries special destination codes have been introduced for VoIP services.
At sipgate.co.uk, sipgate.de and sipgate.at everyone immediately can get a SIP account including a national number for absolutely free.
However callers are often charged more when calling these networks than regular landlines and some are unreachable from abroad.

Are there no plans for such a non-geographical VoIP destination code in NZ that would allow issuing numbers to foreigners?

Btw, I have 3 invitations for sipgate.de left, that include 333 free minutes to German landlines - if you're interested send me a message.

I don't believe there are any plans in NZ at present.

Because local calls are free anybody who wants a national number has to use an 0800. Plenty of other countries have local calling numbers (0845 and 0870 in the UK and 13 numbers in Aussie) but we don't have anything similair in NZ for voice calls in part because of free local calling - people simply wouldn't call a company if they had to pay. 0867 is the closest we have, it is a free local access code in NZ and used for dialup internet only.

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Reply # 73472 5-Jun-2007 17:29

There is nothing in the NAD stopping you getting a Wellington number and having it terminate on a SIP device in Tauranga (or Canada for that reason.)

When the NAD rules were written, the intention around geographic number was to ensure that the “logical” local calling area (or geographic structure) was preserved, not the “physical” local calling area. The primary concern was around call charging. It was deemed important to preserve the customer’s peace of mind so that they knew that when the dialed a local number, that they knew that they would get charged for a local call.
HOWEVER, the problem comes with “ported numbers”. When a customer changes service providers and wants to take their number with them to the new provider, the Government in its wisdom, says in Para 244 of the Local and Mobile Number Portability (LNMP) Determination that. The premises of a customer with a ported local number must be within the donor carrier’s relevant local calling area. A customer with a ported local number wishing to move premises can retain that local number provided that the new premises are within the same donor carrier’s local calling area. This means that if you take a “ported local number” and terminate it on a SIP device in Canada ( or anywhere outside the donor network’s LCA), you (or your service provider or their network provider) are breaking the rules of the LMNP determination. A copy of the NAD can be found here:http://www.m-co.co.nz/grids/template_aq.asp?id=1777&area=24&navid=1027&navarea=22 A copy of the LMNP determination can be found here:http://www.comcom.govt.nz//IndustryRegulation/Telecommunications/NumberPortablility/ContentFiles/Documents/decision%20554.pdf

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