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#2736232 29-Jun-2021 10:53

gehenna: Not unless you can virtualise TPM.

Hyper-V in Windows 10 supports TPM on supported CPU's of course that Win 11 requires..

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#2736252 29-Jun-2021 11:33

Fairly happy with the insider build so far. Feels very snappy for an early release with the first Windows Hello login feeling way quicker.

I have to admit I did check to make sure that the old control panel was still there, which it is, due to still preferring it over the new setting panel.

I haven't moved the start button to left orientation yet but I suspect I will. It does seem a bit of a pain to think about where the button currently is. Also it's currently a pain that only the primary monitor gets the taskbar. It's being fixed though so no biggie.

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#2736263 29-Jun-2021 12:08

billgates:
gehenna: Not unless you can virtualise TPM.
Hyper-V in Windows 10 supports TPM on supported CPU's of course that Win 11 requires..

Yeah he's talking about Parallels on a Mac though.

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#2736269 29-Jun-2021 12:27

Hyper-V proves that a TPM is virtualisable, so it's likely that a Parallels update will support this (if it doesn't already).

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#2736271 29-Jun-2021 12:32

On ARM?

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#2736274 29-Jun-2021 12:46

I do not agree with MS stance here though with CPU and TPM requirements. The world will have a worse problem on their hands when you will have more Win 10 machines out there that cannot be updated to Windows 11 and eventually stop receiving security updates. If you are worried about security then make the OS more secure. Ransomware deployed in overwhelming majority of the cases is not due to lack of TPM or secure boot not enabled. Physical level attacks are very uncommon to warrant a mandatory TPM or secure boot requirement.

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#2736295 29-Jun-2021 13:39

billgates: I do not agree with MS stance here though with CPU and TPM requirements. The world will have a worse problem on their hands when you will have more Win 10 machines out there that cannot be updated to Windows 11 and eventually stop receiving security updates. If you are worried about security then make the OS more secure. Ransomware deployed in overwhelming majority of the cases is not due to lack of TPM or secure boot not enabled. Physical level attacks are very uncommon to warrant a mandatory TPM or secure boot requirement.

I agree but with a bit of a caveat.

I'm waiting to see exactly why they want the TPM as what they have released so far is not a good enough reason to abandon a big percentage of reasonably new PCs. If it is a significant step forward from a security point of view and there is no way to support both models then I might rather have the extra security than that they just abandon the idea.

Either way though I'm not happy with the current Windows 10 support lifecycle. They need to re-introduce at least extended support again so that machines that don't qualify will still be supported for at least the next 5 years. I wouldn't expect new features etc but at least security updates. I know W10 has already been out for 6 years but it's not like the XP to Windows 8 days where 4 different OSes were released over 11 years and each received 10 years from release. We're in a state now where based on the worst case stance a brand new PC purchased now (a MS Surface Studio 2 no less) can't get an upgrade to the next version due this year.

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#2736305 29-Jun-2021 13:53

Windows may be rethinking their processor requirements..

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#2736324 29-Jun-2021 14:23

My leaked version updated to insider preview release today.

A lot of ui changes to the leaked version.

Settings page is completely different and imo a lot better

So many more changes all over the place and looks a hell of a lot more polished.

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#2736351 29-Jun-2021 15:46

I had signed up for the Insider program but never used it. Signed up for the Windows 11 one and it seems like it wants to install over my current Windows 10 or does it just allow you to download an iso to install on a different partition?

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#2736362 29-Jun-2021 16:00

It installs over top.

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#2736445 29-Jun-2021 20:03

Been an insider for many years but was apprehensive about installing the just released win 11 considering my Dell 9020 is below their specs. I knew they were supposed to be relaxing the specs for insiders but some people had problems. However, win 11 installed with no problem.

Good result. I like it.

If I need to upgrade hardware later, so be it.

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#2736447 29-Jun-2021 20:10

lchiu7:

I had signed up for the Insider program but never used it. Signed up for the Windows 11 one and it seems like it wants to install over my current Windows 10 or does it just allow you to download an iso to install on a different partition?

MSFT will at some point will make ISOs available for insider builds. The ISO release lag a bit behind the over the air installs.

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#2736467 29-Jun-2021 22:05

Graymond:
Windows may be rethinking their processor requirements..

Remember the time when Microsoft tried to pull the 'always online' requirement with the Xbox One?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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#2736472 29-Jun-2021 22:41

And now look....my consoles are always online and I haven't touched physical media in years.

Just because something happens early doesn't mean it's a bad thing. People got on board with the idea in the end, and expect it in most cases now.

There's no progress without pissing people off along the way.

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