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#3094152 23-Jun-2023 17:00

networkn:

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There was nothing scientific about this operation. It was simply created to make money and done on the cheap by the look of it.

The waivers the unfortunate passengers signed won't be worth the paper they were written on once the (wealthy) families lawyers get stuck in. I hope the parent company gets sued out of existence.

Playing devils advocate here...

Logically, the CEO stands to make the most money from these expeditions. If he felt the chances of dying were 'moderate to high', hard to believe he himself would have been piloting it. Presumably, he understands if his expeditions were to kill everyone on board, it was an extinction-level event for his business, and it's holdings and any money in it.

I mean, it's feasible he was suicidal and self-destructive but somewhat less likely. There is a chance this was a horrible accident.

Also, presuming the Billionaire didn't inherit his wealth and was of somewhat reasonable intelligence, had presumably had a lot to lose, he wouldn't have gotten into it completely blind to the situation.

The waivers won't mean much, but equally, I don't expect any financial settlement to be financially significant (To a billionaire), unless insurance kicks in.

A sad event which will end up in the courts where the "winners' will be the lawyers.

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#3094155 23-Jun-2023 17:09

mkissin:

The problem with these one-off type engineering projects is that you don't get a chance to develop statistics around that type of thing.

Airline safety was also built up, one crash at a time.

I guess they have one statistic now. Hopefully the root cause is identified and learnt from.

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#3094157 23-Jun-2023 17:14

I wonder if these "Mission specialists" (passengers) go through any psych tests or simulations before being locked into a cramped, cold, dark pipe.

I can imagine what appears to be an ok thing at the surface, could turn into a mind-altering thing after a few hours of being "trapped" for some people. Who knows what damage they could do if they suddenly decided they wanted out.

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#3094158 23-Jun-2023 17:17

networkn:
Also, presuming the Billionaire didn't inherit his wealth and was of somewhat reasonable intelligence, had presumably had a lot to lose, he wouldn't have gotten into it completely blind to the situation.

You're looking in the wrong direction. Don't look at the ones who went, look at the ones who chose not to go.

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#3094159 23-Jun-2023 17:27

networkn:

The waivers won't mean much, but equally, I don't expect any financial settlement to be financially significant (To a billionaire), unless insurance kicks in.

An "experimental" dive will be uninsurable.

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#3094160 23-Jun-2023 17:29

frankv:

mkissin:

The problem with these one-off type engineering projects is that you don't get a chance to develop statistics around that type of thing.

Airline safety was also built up, one crash at a time.

I guess they have one statistic now. Hopefully the root cause is identified and learnt from.

In the interview posted with James Cameron above he made the point that deep sea submersibles have a fantastic safety record and have been around for longer that it took to get from the Wright Brothers flight to the 747 first flight.

On the surface this is a case of tech bro hubris rather than a lack of understanding of the challenges of deep sea submersibles.

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#3094175 23-Jun-2023 17:31

Handle9:

An "experimental" dive will be uninsurable.

Then even less motivation for the families to seek financial recourse, in my opinion.

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#3094176 23-Jun-2023 17:31

neb:
networkn:

Also, presuming the Billionaire didn't inherit his wealth and was of somewhat reasonable intelligence, had presumably had a lot to lose, he wouldn't have gotten into it completely blind to the situation.

You're looking in the wrong direction. Don't look at the ones who went, look at the ones who chose not to go.

You've lost me.

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#3094177 23-Jun-2023 17:32

When you see quotes from Stockton Rush like below it tells the story.

Second, tourist subs, which could once be skippered by anyone with a U.S. Coast Guard captain’s license, were regulated by the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993, which imposed rigorous new manufacturing and inspection requirements and prohibited dives below 150 feet. The law was well-meaning, Rush says, but he believes it needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation (a position a less adventurous submariner might find open to debate). “There hasn’t been an injury in the commercial sub industry in over 35 years. It’s obscenely safe, because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn’t innovated or grown—because they have all these regulations.”

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#3094178 23-Jun-2023 17:33

They were talking about temperatures of 4 C or lower outside at that depth.

This is a pic of what happens to foam cups bought slowly to about 2/3 of that depth.

Styrofoam cups compressed by ocean depth

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#3094182 23-Jun-2023 17:46

networkn:
neb: You're looking in the wrong direction. Don't look at the ones who went, look at the ones who chose not to go.

You've lost me.

Someone will always sign up for any crackpot venture you can come up with, no matter how dangerous or unlikely-to-succeed it is. You need to look at the people who looked into it and decided not to go, not the small number of suckers who fell for it.

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#3094184 23-Jun-2023 17:48

networkn:

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An "experimental" dive will be uninsurable.

Then even less motivation for the families to seek financial recourse, in my opinion.

The primary motivation for the families won't be financial, it'll be to inflict as many consequences on the people and organisations involved as possible.

The passengers have massive financial resources so there'll be litigation for many years.

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#3094186 23-Jun-2023 17:52

Handle9:
The passengers have massive financial resources so there'll be litigation for many years.

The company will be bankrupt if it isn't already, their IP is worthless, there's nothing there to sue over.

Having said that, if their legal setup is as sloppy as their engineering then it may be possible to go after the personal assets of the CEO, but I doubt that's going to amount to much.

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#3094187 23-Jun-2023 17:53

neb:

Someone will always sign up for any crackpot venture you can come up with, no matter how dangerous or unlikely-to-succeed it is. You need to look at the people who looked into it and decided not to go, not the small number of suckers who fell for it.

I disagree. How do you exclude those who couldn't afford it, or for many other reasons.

Bottom line is, the CEO was piloting it, he with the greatest to gain from it's success.

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#3094188 23-Jun-2023 17:54

What made the theory about 'tapping noises'?

The vessel is fairly thick and a human knocking from the inside doesn't seem like it would emit much of that energy into the surrounding water.

I think the 'knocking' sound occurred from stress buckling, equipment moving or 'safety systems' before the final implosion.

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