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  #2918267 25-May-2022 10:00
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Had to agree to a call out fee for assessment but at least they are promptly attending.

 

You've got to see it from their point of view too though, while I agree that it's annoying to have to work your way through to someone who can understand the problem, they're probably dealing with endless calls from people where the real problem is that they've had a mate who knows a bit about electricity wire it up for them and is now blaming the appliance, or the homeowner has wired an EV charger into the same circuit because it's the highest-rated one in the house, or who knows what else has happened. So part of the trick is figuring out how to phrase the problem report in such a way that they understand it's not the usual user error, e.g. by throwing in various trade terms when describing what you've done to diagnose the fault. Some years ago for example I had a support-call conversation change completely when I (a) realised I was now talking to an engineer rather than a customer support person and (b) mentioned using a spectrum analyser, it actually got technically useful at that point.

 

That is not my complaint. I expect there to be a requirement to assess the fault. 

 

My issue is that the whole thing can be dealt with by saying;

 

"We charge an initial call-out fee, which covers the travel and time for an initial assessment. If we find that the issue is a manufacturing fault, and your device is covered either by warranty or CGA, we will refund your assessment fee". 

 

 


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  #2918572 25-May-2022 18:59
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You've got to see it from their point of view too though, while I agree that it's annoying to have to work your way through to someone who can understand the problem, they're probably dealing with endless calls from people where the real problem is that they've had a mate who knows a bit about electricity wire it up for them and is now blaming the appliance, or the homeowner has wired an EV charger into the same circuit because it's the highest-rated one in the house, or who knows what else has happened. So part of the trick is figuring out how to phrase the problem report in such a way that they understand it's not the usual user error, e.g. by throwing in various trade terms when describing what you've done to diagnose the fault. Some years ago for example I had a support-call conversation change completely when I (a) realised I was now talking to an engineer rather than a customer support person and (b) mentioned using a spectrum analyser, it actually got technically useful at that point.

 

This is also why moronic troubleshooting steps are included in manuals, so if someone does come out and it was something that the user should have done then its a lot easier to charge the call out. Have to lol at the businesses that have to pay support costs because noone bothered to check something was plugged in.





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  #2918673 26-May-2022 04:21
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The fact that an every-growing list of shipments from Macronesia are leaving China, arriving in NZ, and then falling into a black hole for anything from a week to two months. Tracking just stops on arrival in NZ and they never get delivered. There's now about a dozen packages all lost once they've entered NZ, they get as far as Landed or In Transit to Local Depot after landing and after that there's no more updates and no delivery.

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  #2918815 26-May-2022 11:37
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I haven't used Trade Me in a few years and listed an item today. First question reminds me why I don't use it:

 

"Do you have a buy now?"

 

No, I don't. If I had it would be listed. Bid and find out.





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  #2918871 26-May-2022 12:10
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No, I don't. If I had it would be listed. Bid and find out.

 

 

I don't know, I consider it a fair enough question. Usually, if I am asking that question it's because I am looking to get my hands on it before the auction ends. If the premium to buy now is not too steep, I might pay a bit extra for that. 

 

Also, not everyone knows about buy now or may not have considered it but would at a request to do so. 


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  #2918905 26-May-2022 13:10
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freitasm:

 

I haven't used Trade Me in a few years and listed an item today. First question reminds me why I don't use it:

 

"Do you have a buy now?"

 

No, I don't. If I had it would be listed. Bid and find out.

 

 

The question that annoys me the most is, "What's the reserve?"

 

My answer is usually, "The lowest amount I'll accept". 

 

I think it puts some potential customers off...





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  #2918908 26-May-2022 13:16
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Handsomedan:

 

freitasm:

 

I haven't used Trade Me in a few years and listed an item today. First question reminds me why I don't use it:

 

"Do you have a buy now?"

 

No, I don't. If I had it would be listed. Bid and find out.

 

 

The question that annoys me the most is, "What's the reserve?"

 

My answer is usually, "The lowest amount I'll accept". 

 

I think it puts some potential customers off...

 

 

The same customers will later ignore the "no pickups" and ask "what's your address?"





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  #2918920 26-May-2022 13:32
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floydbloke:

 

I don't disagree with your sentiment but I'm curious on how you proved this:

 

networkn:

 

.... Very intermittent, doesn't affect any other thing attached to the same power circuit or socket. ...

 

 

aren't ovens usually hardwired on a dedicated circuitbreaker?

 

 

Doesn't trip the breaker. Appliance person came out and confirmed it's a PCB issue. 

 

They are quoting $500 to fix, we are pointing at the CGA... We will see. 

 

 


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  #2918960 26-May-2022 14:55
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networkn:

 

...

 

They are quoting $500 to fix, we are pointing at the CGA... We will see. 

 

 

 

 

Please let us know how you go.  6.5 years is getting on for electronics, but I agree that you should get more than that out of $3k item.  Should the customer have to foot a $500 bill to have to breathe life back into it?  Hmm?





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  #2918973 26-May-2022 15:04
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floydbloke:

 

Please let us know how you go.  6.5 years is getting on for electronics, but I agree that you should get more than that out of $3k item.  Should the customer have to foot a $500 bill to have to breathe life back into it?  Hmm?

 

 

https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/appliance-life-expectancy

 

11-13 Years seems to be what consumer says. I'd probably be OK if I got 10 years from a decent quality one. This is well inside this and will be pushing very hard to get them to cover the costs related to this repair.

 

 


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  #2918984 26-May-2022 15:38
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freitasm:

 

I haven't used Trade Me in a few years and listed an item today. First question reminds me why I don't use it:

 

"Do you have a buy now?"

 

No, I don't. If I had it would be listed. Bid and find out.

 

 

I think there is a subset of Trademe users who try to make a profit by buying cheap with Buynow and then reselling.  Quite often, there are plenty of similar items with earlier end dates, so there is no reason for asking for a buy now other than to bluff the seller into accepting a low-ball price.  I've noticed that usually the people who immediately ask for buy now have no interest in actually bidding for the auction.  Either that or my reply puts them off...


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  #2918991 26-May-2022 16:02
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freitasm:

 

The same customers will later ignore the "no pickups" and ask "what's your address?"

 

 

They're also the same people that see the "No Swaps, Trades, or Lowball Offers, please" and immediately ask, "Would you swap a 1987 Toyota Corolla with 275000 kms on the clock plus $50 my way?"

 

 





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  #2919002 26-May-2022 16:26
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@shk292:

 

freitasm:

 

I haven't used Trade Me in a few years and listed an item today. First question reminds me why I don't use it:

 

"Do you have a buy now?"

 

No, I don't. If I had it would be listed. Bid and find out.

 

 

I think there is a subset of Trademe users who try to make a profit by buying cheap with Buynow and then reselling.  Quite often, there are plenty of similar items with earlier end dates, so there is no reason for asking for a buy now other than to bluff the seller into accepting a low-ball price.  I've noticed that usually the people who immediately ask for buy now have no interest in actually bidding for the auction.  Either that or my reply puts them off...

 

 

Correct.





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  #2919125 26-May-2022 17:53
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networkn:

I don't know, I consider it a fair enough question. Usually, if I am asking that question it's because I am looking to get my hands on it before the auction ends. If the premium to buy now is not too steep, I might pay a bit extra for that.

 

 

Another one is "if I arrange for a courier will you ship it?" for a pickup-only auction. Sure, if you deal with that part of it I'm quite happy to ship, I just didn't want to go through the hassle myself which is why I'd listed it as pickup-only.

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  #2919126 26-May-2022 17:55
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floydbloke:

Please let us know how you go.  6.5 years is getting on for electronics, but I agree that you should get more than that out of $3k item.  Should the customer have to foot a $500 bill to have to breathe life back into it?  Hmm?

 

 

If you're a Consumer member, this is the point at which you'd write to them telling them about the problem and they'd contact the vendor. They publish a bunch of cases like this in every issue pointing out what your rights are.

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