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  #3095708 28-Jun-2023 09:08
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Rikkitic:

 

OK, point taken. As I said, I'm not an engineer, but the idea seemed reasonable to me. Let's see what the investigation concludes.

 

Mythbusters may have oversimplified the science, but it attracted the interest of people who normally would never have watched anything more challenging than the Kardashians. I think it performed a valuable public service and I'm sorry it is gone. (Attempts to resuscitate it with other actors just didn't work; Adam and Jamie had a unique chemistry, both literal and figurative. A pity they didn't like each other.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It made entertaining TV but I wouldn't go as far to say Mythbusters in it's later shows performed a 'vauable public service" as they more than likely lead a lot of people to incorrect conclusions on subject matters those people had no idea about.





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  #3095745 28-Jun-2023 10:12
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Technofreak:

 

Rikkitic:

 

OK, point taken. As I said, I'm not an engineer, but the idea seemed reasonable to me. Let's see what the investigation concludes.

 

Mythbusters may have oversimplified the science, but it attracted the interest of people who normally would never have watched anything more challenging than the Kardashians. I think it performed a valuable public service and I'm sorry it is gone. (Attempts to resuscitate it with other actors just didn't work; Adam and Jamie had a unique chemistry, both literal and figurative. A pity they didn't like each other.)

 

 

It made entertaining TV but I wouldn't go as far to say Mythbusters in it's later shows performed a 'vauable public service" as they more than likely lead a lot of people to incorrect conclusions on subject matters those people had no idea about.

 

 

So what? They got people to think about things they had no idea about. That is a valuable public service, especially in a country like the USA where the bulk of the population has such an appalling level of ignorance and lack of interest about practically everything. If Mythbusters made one dumbed down redneck curious enough about something to look it up, as I am sure they did, they performed a valuable public service.

 

 





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  #3095775 28-Jun-2023 11:57
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Rikkitic:

 

Technofreak:

 

It made entertaining TV but I wouldn't go as far to say Mythbusters in it's later shows performed a 'vauable public service" as they more than likely lead a lot of people to incorrect conclusions on subject matters those people had no idea about.

 

 

So what? They got people to think about things they had no idea about. That is a valuable public service, especially in a country like the USA where the bulk of the population has such an appalling level of ignorance and lack of interest about practically everything. If Mythbusters made one dumbed down redneck curious enough about something to look it up, as I am sure they did, they performed a valuable public service.

 

 

 

 

I guess we diverge on how it's valuable. 

 

I don't see any value in giving people the wrong idea on something. That's not increasing their knowledge it is increasing their ignorance. 

 

Your generalisation about the population of the USA is a bit off in my experience. Some of them may be a bit lacking in knowledge of things outside of their borders but they are generally nowhere near as bad as you portray them to be. You can find 'ignorance' in any population. 





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  #3095803 28-Jun-2023 13:01
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Your generalisation about the population of the USA is a bit off in my experience. Some of them may be a bit lacking in knowledge of things outside of their borders but they are generally nowhere near as bad as you portray them to be. You can find 'ignorance' in any population. 

 

 

I know this is going off topic but I fully agree with this statement. Stereotypes aren't really productive here (and dare I say - as a NZ'er outside of NZ looking in, I think some of us are guilty of the same 'crime' being alleged). 





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I don't know if NZ is really that much different than the US in this regard - we have a society full of people who are savvy with technology and use their phones and apps and tools and the internet - but who often have remarkably-little knowledge of how things work.  The majority drive their cars but they take them to a shop when there's a noise or when maintenance is required.  It's not necessarily a bad thing - we have somewhat become a society of specialists rather than people generally having widespread expertise leading to them repairing a tractor or diagnosing and replacing a burned capacitor in their device.  I would wager that the proportion of society who have broad scientific knowledge is probably decreasing across the board.  The difference between an average person and an exceptional expert in any given space is growing - whether you are talking about an elite athlete or a scientist.

 

Mythbusters would have been pushed to develop content with more widespread appeal in the later seasons, not to mention that after years there were just fewer myths left to test.  Exactly where their efforts fell between genuine research and infotainment can certainly be debated - but it would be far more likely to educate people than reality TV or most other things the wider public are likely to encounter.


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  #3095814 28-Jun-2023 13:22
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Technofreak:

 

I guess we diverge on how it's valuable. 

 

I don't see any value in giving people the wrong idea on something. That's not increasing their knowledge it is increasing their ignorance. 

 

Your generalisation about the population of the USA is a bit off in my experience. Some of them may be a bit lacking in knowledge of things outside of their borders but they are generally nowhere near as bad as you portray them to be. You can find 'ignorance' in any population. 

 

 

Do you actually have an example where Mythbusters has given people the wrong idea on something? I'm not saying they didn't, but I would be interested to know what information you are using.

 

And yes, I am stereotyping American ignorance. America has always displayed the best and worst of human achievement. People on the moon in 1969 was a stunning accomplishment. Mars rovers and other probes demonstrate a sublime command of technological ability. There is much to gasp in wonder at there. But there is also a thick layer of ignorance and indifference about much of the world outside America. Particularly bad are some of the domestic media, which go out of their way to dumb down their viewers and reinforce their own negative stereotypes. What I always admired so much abut Mythbusters was the way they made science and engineering principles accessible and comprehensible, even to the most cerebrally deprived viewers. Sure, they blew up cement trucks and exploded toilets but they also explained what happened. People were exposed to things beyond their usual interests. This was a good thing and I applaud it.

 

 





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Bung: 

"But US government bureaucracy has hampered rescue efforts as essential equipment remains stuck on the island of Jersey, while the required paperwork is signed for it to be imported."

 

The standard approach to that is not to undertake submarine trips until the rescue gear is available.  Not that it would have mattered in this case.

 

I'm responsible for managing small fleet of sea-going vessels.  There is a list of 'show-stopper' safety items.  If any one of those is missing or inoperable, the vessel does not leave port.  This is standard practice for any professional maritime operation.  If a serious incident occurs, I can be fined and/or imprisoned under one of two bits of legislation (maybe both?). We operate on top of the water, and we don't take paying passengers, just professional crew.  I can't contract out of any of my responsibilities, nor insure against fines or loss of income.  Neither can my employer indemnify me against for fines.  That is all a sit should be.  

 

The standards for an extreme operation like that sub, taking tourists should be way higher.

 

 





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  #3095917 28-Jun-2023 17:18
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Rikkitic:

 

America has always displayed the best and worst of human achievement. 

 

 

It's a big population, you get wide distributions of behaviour, intellect, beliefs, wealth.





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MikeAqua:

 

Rikkitic:

 

America has always displayed the best and worst of human achievement. 

 

 

It's a big population, you get wide distributions of behaviour, intellect, beliefs, wealth.

 

 


Russia, North Korea, perhaps a few others would beat America on worst though.


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  #3096020 29-Jun-2023 00:38
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From the Twitters:

 

 

 

 

"Exhibit A, your honour".

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  #3096067 29-Jun-2023 01:19
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neb: From the Twitters:



"Exhibit A, your honour".


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Some wreckage of the Titan shown being brought ashore in today’s news. Quite impressive recovery work.

IMHO the Titan was an impressive piece of Proof of Concept work. An impressive prototype. It beggars belief that it was ever used for paid tourism. Criminal.

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Russia, North Korea, perhaps a few others would beat America on worst though.

 

 

China. Historically, Germany and Japan also.





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  #3096135 29-Jun-2023 09:42
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MikeAqua:

 

ezbee:

 

Russia, North Korea, perhaps a few others would beat America on worst though.

 

 

China. Historically, Germany and Japan also.

 

 

There is a difference between populace and politicians.

 

 





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https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1674108012787531789

 

 

 

Part of it being recovered, I wonder if thats the viewing window and if it was removed to make it easier to unload with the strops or if that was the failure point(iirc it was never rated for 4km pressure and they delined to have custom rated one made for it). 


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