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#2949723 2-Aug-2022 13:59

I am quite surprised we haven't seen remakes of films like "The Day After" etc.

It's feeling like the 80's when I was in high school and we did "Nuclear War" drills - effectively the same as earthquake drills but ensuring you were away from the windows and had your eyes shut and ears covered.

I always thought they were weird - if there was a nearby detonation, you'd be radioactive ash anyway.

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#2949724 2-Aug-2022 14:01

SaltyNZ:

Some things would keep going until the fuel ran out

Thats a very important factor. The local economy would struggle with no transport

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#2949729 2-Aug-2022 14:11

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I "think" the atmosphere in the Northern hemisphere would largely stay up there

I don't buy the ice age story, there is plenty of natural and non natural smoke events occurring in any given year

Re the global economy, NZ would need to live with itself for a period, trade the iPhones (lack of supply) in for gardens, etc. Make do. Live with what we can make/grow ourselves. Local economy wise, hard to know

If there were no direct Southern Hemisphere strikes the radiation, smoke, dust, ash would slowly bleed across the equator as a slow creeping death. Trade would collapse. Medicines would last about 6 months then we are screwed. Communications will be back to pre 20TH century. Or food supply would be hopeless in a short due to crop failures, breakdown of the maritime food chain and loss of foundations of the food chain.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2949730 2-Aug-2022 14:13

i have a book outlining the effect of a nuclear war - i think from the 1970's

From memory the biggest impact was refugees trying to flood in to the country
Be hard to turn away people with NZ citizenship and harder to turn away those that are in warships

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#2949732 2-Aug-2022 14:16

D1023319:

i have a book outlining the effect of a nuclear war - i think from the 1970's

From memory the biggest impact was refugees trying to flood in to the country
Be hard to turn away people with NZ citizenship and harder to turn away those that are in warships

We would just need to set up a ballot system, wouldn’t we?

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#2949733 2-Aug-2022 14:24

We aren't really set-up for society post-nuclear event, even if it happens far away.

We have a sizeable chunk of our population who will quite happily take from others what they cannot otherwise get, and an even bigger number who insist that they're just misguided souls looking for a chance to come good.

Seems like a recipe for civil disaster, even if we're well away from the fall-out.

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#2949734 2-Aug-2022 14:34

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The Muldoon commissioned a study on this in the 80s. What applies then still pretty much applies now. The Book is called New Zealand After Nuclear War: The Background Papers. It can be found in the Library or online.

Those who rely on imported Pharmaceuticals to keep alive will be screwed. Diabetics, Cancer Meds.

“The most significant refugee problem would be nuclear armed ships from the US or Russia, who might decide to get away by heading down and threatening New Zealand,” he says. “The rich and powerful Fleeing would be the biggest threat.”

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#2949736 2-Aug-2022 14:38

wellygary:

"everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"

Boring conversation anyway.

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#2949739 2-Aug-2022 14:42

If you want more serious answers you can look up a document release by NZ Planning Council published in late 1980s called "NZ after nuclear war".

Not sure if it's online but I read a copy at Otago University Library maybe 15 yrs ago and copied the medical section.

Assumes nz not hit by weapons them selves but ponders the effect on nz industry medicine etc.

Medical issues.
- massive expansion of palliative care service in short term as a lot of specialties would unable to function without overseas technogy. Chemotherapy agents, Nephrology as no dialysis. Intervention Al radiology, intervention Al cardiology

Orthopaedics as we know it would end as there would be no joint prosthesis and return to old style joint operations with fusions and fixed joints. So would return to origins of straightening kids bones.? Metal work for fixing broken bones.

Penicillin production would take couple of months by perposing the brewing industry.

Basic anaesthetic drugs mean return to early 1940s techology

Insulin from sheep but sugar stores would be very lifted so maybe type 2 diabetes gets better.

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#2949746 2-Aug-2022 14:52

Handsomedan:
I am quite surprised we haven't seen remakes of films like "The Day After" etc.

It's feeling like the 80's when I was in high school and we did "Nuclear War" drills - effectively the same as earthquake drills but ensuring you were away from the windows and had your eyes shut and ears covered.

I always thought they were weird - if there was a nearby detonation, you'd be radioactive ash anyway.

The British nuclear war film "Threads" is much worse than the day after... Very bleak. Goes into some events a generation or two after war as well.

For me this film is one of the most frightening ones I ever saw. Great for me as a young teenager but my parents preferred educated kids

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#2949752 2-Aug-2022 15:20

GV27:

We aren't really set-up for society post-nuclear event, even if it happens far away.

We have a sizeable chunk of our population who will quite happily take from others what they cannot otherwise get, and an even bigger number who insist that they're just misguided souls looking for a chance to come good.

Seems like a recipe for civil disaster, even if we're well away from the fall-out.

LOL, I think a more objective way of looking at this is that some people act like animals because they've been trained to by their upbringing.

Post nuclear, if the niceties of modern society are stripped away forever, those who can't act like animals might actually be at a disadvantage.

Disaster indeed, but un-civil in nature.

Nuclear oblivion is best avoided if you ask me.

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#2949754 2-Aug-2022 15:36

On a related note, why on earth is Guterres coming out with a statement "humanity is just one misunderstanding, one miscalculation away from nuclear annihilation" The World has been in that state since the nitwits in their supreme stupidity decided that nuclear was a great idea. To come out with a statement like that in a time where stress and anxiety is very high globally is just plain reckless and stupid.

Those who could do something about it don't give a toss and the 99.9% of humanity are able to do nothing about it but have to cope with the anxiety and hope to survive or deal with the catastrophe when the collective stupidity of the world so leaders royally screws this planet for ever. I include Guterres in that collectively stupid group of leaders.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2949760 2-Aug-2022 16:10

Dingbatt:
I’d suggest we promote the world map that had us located in the Indian Ocean.

I suggest we align ourselves with Russia, so we'd be targeted by US nukes rather than Russian ones. The US would nuke Australia instead of us ("Noo Zeeland is Arstralia isn't it?") and we'd be (relatively) safe.

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#2949762 2-Aug-2022 16:44

MikeB4:

On a related note, why on earth is Guterres coming out with a statement "humanity is just one misunderstanding, one miscalculation away from nuclear annihilation" …..snip…….. I include Guterres in that collectively stupid group of leaders.

The post by @wellygary on the first page explains exactly why he said it.

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#2949774 2-Aug-2022 17:03

@Dingbatt you are so right. I read the posts but didn’t see that one dammit. I well I must be getting old or stressed or drugged or all of them *sigh* strong pain relief has its ups and downs literally 😵‍💫

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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