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  #3364612 16-Apr-2025 12:17
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We currently have a Breville Barista Express BES870. It does a pretty good job but the grind amount dial on the front is regularly moved when it's cleaned and after moving to an open bottomed portafilter, WDT and adjustable damper I can't for the life of me stop it from channeling. We buy the same beans every week and I've gone through the grind size, 18g, 19g, 20g, different damper heights, the lot, it's always a mess.

 

 

Just checking the above as you say ‘after moving’, which suggests the problems started after you moved to a bottomless portafilter; or did the problems exist prior and you hoped all the changes would solve them? The reason I ask is that I’ve found that different portafilters can result in different results - I mean I’ve got two identical OEM ones for my machine with the same Breville basket and one is always faster than the other! And the bottomless one I bought off AE hardly gets used as it’s 1. not a great fit into the group head, 2. Doesn’t provide enough space for a puck screen and 3. is a dog to get a good shot. 

 

So just wondering if it’s worth going back to the OEM portafilter and trying that? (I’ve totally been in the same space of fiddling with everything and nothing working, and found simplifying and going back to basics helped reset things.)

 

martyyn:

 

I'd like to keep it under $1000 and have ended up with the Breville Smart Grinder Pro ($320-ish) and a Bambino ($440-ish).

 

… just want to be sure with the grinder I can add beans to the hopper, set it 18g (or whatever I settle on), have the transfer from cup to portafilter be easy and mess free and never have to worry about someone messing about with it by "accident". 

 

Any thoughts or recommendations ?

 

 

I can respond directly to the use of an SGP for single dosing, as that’s what I use as my second grinder - usually kept at work, but with me right now while on holiday! I can report it works fine (I use it with my work/holiday machine, which is a Sunbeam Mini Barista) for single dosing, but there’s a pretty high degree of retention - this means while you’ll tend to get out a pretty similar quantity of what you put in, a meaningful amount of it will be beans from the previous grinds! (This is evidenced by the amount of grinds left when cleaning it out, and also the much lower amount on first grind after a clean.) 

 

TBH, this doesn’t worry me too much - the end result is still good enough for us. But I’m not sure (apart from the dial not moving) whether the grind itself of the SGP will be much superior to what your built-in grinder provides? (Unless there is a problem with the grinder itself.) I wonder if a s/h higher-quality grinder may be a better investment, or putting the total budget into a new grinder vs buying both grinder and new machine?

 

And, maybe whatever grinder you end up with, it could be worth just starting with that, trialing that with your existing machine (though I guess this depends on how frustrating you find the dial movement!). I initially did use the SGP with my main machine (the Breville Dual Boiler, which in NZ is sold as a package with the SGP), but when I moved to single dosing found it a bit frustrating so bought my current main grinder (a DF64 something, that allows for both single dosing and a large hopper).

 

 




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  #3364628 16-Apr-2025 12:45
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jonathan18:

 

Just checking the above as you say ‘after moving’, which suggests the problems started after you moved to a bottomless portafilter....

 

 

The machine was fine with the original equipment, I just wanted to move to the "next level" and a new portafilter, WDT and damper seemed the easiest option. The original portafiler makes no mess because it has the two channels on the bottom.

 

jonathan18:

 

I can respond directly to the use of an SGP for single dosing....

 

 

Great points.

 

There is no problem with the existing machine, other than the mess using the bottomless portafilter. I'd like to take the BES870 to our office, use the original portafilter, and "upgrade" what we have at home. An "upgrade" for me might mean a better grind, a better end product in the cup, a more consistent dosage, be cleaner, provide more WAF or a combination.

 

For me, I'm just sick of having the dosage wheel being knocked and having the guess the dose on a regular basis. I could just weigh out the beans each time, but that has zero WAF.

 

I might see what's out there second hand.


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  #3364630 16-Apr-2025 12:53
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Just bought one of these:
https://www.alturacoffee.co.nz/espresso-machines/rancilio-silvia-e-v6-limited-time-offer/

 

Especially if you are making FW or Lattes the right choice in the SFF section. BUT needs a bit of extras and modding to get to a descent level (like most small machines). Also remember your grinder is just as important. I bough this:
https://dipacci.co.nz/products/coffee-tech-df54-single-dose-grinder-pre-order-early-april?_pos=2&_fid=fbe208d92&_ss=c

 

 




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  #3364631 16-Apr-2025 12:54
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Ah, just understood that you're meaning you want to bulk load your beans in the hopper but get a standard quantity out, sorry for missing that first time! In short - even with the same beans and the same portafilter, basket etc, with any grinder you'll get a decent variability. It's not too bad with the SGP but certainly can vary a couple of grams either side of your desired amount. 

 

What about a sh SGP? That way if it doesn't meet your needs or you're not happy with it you could onsell it with little loss. Or find someone who'd lend you theirs. I would but doubt you're in PN! 

 

 

 

My sense is, though, if you're wanting to go to the 'next level' you should be looking above the SGP.

 

 


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  #3364632 16-Apr-2025 13:01
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Ah, just understood that you're meaning you want to bulk load your beans in the hopper but get a standard quantity out, sorry for missing that first time! In short - even with the same beans and the same portafilter, basket etc, with any grinder you'll get a decent variability. It's not too bad with the SGP but certainly can vary a couple of grams either side of your desired amount. 

 

What about a sh SGP? That way if it doesn't meet your needs or you're not happy with it you could onsell it with little loss. Or find someone who'd lend you theirs. I would but doubt you're in PN! 

 

My sense is, though, if you're wanting to go to the 'next level' you should be looking above the SGP.

 

 

Sort of yes, the reason we have variability with the BES870 is the dosage knob on the front gets moved accidentally and it takes a couple of goes to get it back to where it was. I'm expecting with the digital read out on the SGP, if it's changed, I know it was 18s or 18.4s or whatever.

 

Next level is subjective isn't it. I want to have a better experience than a basic coffee machine, but I don't want to fall into the hole and spend thousands :)

 

 


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  #3364633 16-Apr-2025 13:06
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If the only problem with the old machine was that the grinder is built in, maybe simply pair the SGP with a BES840?





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  #3364638 16-Apr-2025 13:31
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Sort of yes, the reason we have variability with the BES870 is the dosage knob on the front gets moved accidentally and it takes a couple of goes to get it back to where it was. I'm expecting with the digital read out on the SGP, if it's changed, I know it was 18s or 18.4s or whatever.

 

 

 

Yep, first up it's not really possible to knock either the grinder or timing settings, as both are quite stiff turning knobs and need to be deliberately twisted. Plus, as you say, the timer is a digital readout so easy to return to 'original' settings.


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  #3364648 16-Apr-2025 13:57
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Stu:

 

If the only problem with the old machine was that the grinder is built in, maybe simply pair the SGP with a BES840?

 

 

I would like to move the BES870 to our and have a new setup at home :)


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  #3364650 16-Apr-2025 14:08
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The BES840 (The Infuser) is like your old machine but without the built in grinder. The BES840 and an SGP are definately available within your listed budget. I wanted a separate grinder, and we have this combo. Works fine. Makes coffee. 🤷‍♂️





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  #3364661 16-Apr-2025 14:26
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Stu:

 

The BES840 (The Infuser) is like your old machine but without the built in grinder. The BES840 and an SGP are definately available within your listed budget. I wanted a separate grinder, and we have this combo. Works fine. Makes coffee. 🤷‍♂️

 

 

Haha, I'm sorry. I didn't see the 840, just assumed you were referring to my 870. 


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  #3364665 16-Apr-2025 14:41
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martyyn:

 

I'm looking to the GZ coffee community for a sanity check.

 

We currently have a Breville Barista Express BES870. It does a pretty good job but the grind amount dial on the front is regularly moved when it's cleaned and after moving to an open bottomed portafilter, WDT and adjustable damper I can't for the life of me stop it from channeling. 

 

 

what baskets are you using? are they good quality. if your using the oem baskets, check the height of the portafilter. 

 

if the portafilter the only bit thats changed, then its not a grind issue its usually a head issue. i suspect the coffee height is now somewhat different so the water is getting blasted into one spot. the hack fix is to use a stainless filter on top of the coffee to act as a spreader.  


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  #3364676 16-Apr-2025 15:06
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tweake:

 

the hack fix is to use a stainless filter on top of the coffee to act as a spreader.  

 

 

Yeah, I referred to puck screens in an earlier post; they’re worth using, anyway, as they make such a difference to how many grinds end up around the group head. I find I have to clean/backflush far less than I did prior to when I started using them. Cheap as too, eg https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005214010809.html 

 

As I mentioned, the height of some portafilters doesn’t allow for using a stainless puck screen - paper ones can be an alternative. In my case, using these with my AE bottomless portafilter hasn’t been the magic bullet - but you get what you pay for!


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  #3364823 16-Apr-2025 20:26
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martyyn:

 

I'm happy with the Bambino's reviews but just want to be sure with the grinder I can add beans to the hopper, set it 18g (or whatever I settle on), have the transfer from cup to portafilter be easy and mess free and never have to worry about someone messing about with it by "accident". 

 

Any thoughts or recommendations ?

 

 

For value it's hard to go past the SGP. There really isn't much in it's price range that competes.

 

The next step up for your use would be a Sette 270 or a Eureka Mignon Specialita. You will get a significantly better product with these grinders. I went from an SGP to a Eureka Mignon Specialitia and it made a much bigger difference than going from a Breville Infuser to a Lelit Bianca. You'll pay for it but IMO the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

My concern with your proposed SGP/Bambino combo is you won't get much of a quality improvement. You'll get some quality of life improvements but it's a fair bit of money to spend without improving the product. I'd consider second hand, especially on the espresso machine. I bought my SGP/Infuser second hand 10 years ago and it's still working for a friend I gave them to.

 

Also do consider self importing if you go European. I and many others used esppresso coffee shop they are reliable. You need to factor GST into it. There are other reliable european vendors and it generally works out well


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martyyn:

 

I'm looking to the GZ coffee community for a sanity check.

 

We currently have a Breville Barista Express BES870. It does a pretty good job but the grind amount dial on the front is regularly moved when it's cleaned and after moving to an open bottomed portafilter, WDT and adjustable damper I can't for the life of me stop it from channeling. We buy the same beans every week and I've gone through the grind size, 18g, 19g, 20g, different damper heights, the lot, it's always a mess.

 

My wife's desire for "I just want a coffee" and my desire to not have to test the amount every week is leading me to separate the two.

 

I'd like to keep it under $1000 and have ended up with the Breville Smart Grinder Pro ($320-ish) and a Bambino ($440-ish).

 

The next level up seems to the Baratza 270 which is at least double the SGP and the Bambino Plus which only seems to add auto milk functions which we are unlikely to use. We just heat a little milk on the stove, not wanting froth or texture or anything fancy, just a little warm milk in an espresso.

 

I'm happy with the Bambino's reviews but just want to be sure with the grinder I can add beans to the hopper, set it 18g (or whatever I settle on), have the transfer from cup to portafilter be easy and mess free and never have to worry about someone messing about with it by "accident". 

 

Any thoughts or recommendations ?

 

 

I also had a BES870, and upgraded to the BES878 and for a short term had a BES880 (and now BES920 for the last 1.5 years - awesome, awesome machine!)...

 

The inbuilt grinder in the BES870 whilst wasn't the best, rarely chanelled. What kind of beans do you use, and do you use fresh beans straight from roaster, or supermarket?

 

The SGP is very similar to the current one you have in the BES870. The BES878 Barista Pro and Oracle Jet more recently has been upgraded to the baratza burrs.

 

If you are dead set on upgrading, look at the ESP Encore instead of the SGP. There's also often used Mignons on the market. I currently use a specialita and is hard to fault once dialled in. 

 

Bambino is a great machine (thermojet instead of thermoblock), but you'll have other issues (drip tray too small, smaller water tank etc). 
My team's yard office now has a SGP/Bambino combo and my only gripe with it is the smaller tank/drip tray. The Plus should be better at this but costs more. 

 

 

 

 





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  #3364884 17-Apr-2025 08:21
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Would the Sette30 be an upgrade from the smart grinder pro? Same burrs as the 270, same motor etc just no ultra fine adjustment.

 

I use one at home with my profitec700 and am more than happy, fluffy grinds and pretty precise settings on dosing. Seems to grind at around 3g/sec.


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