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#1333935 30-Jun-2015 10:23

keewee01:

TradeMe should just pull all auctions for tickets.

Yup. Would save them time and headaches however, theyll leave it be due to $$$.

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#1333938 30-Jun-2015 10:25

Selling out of tickets shouldn't be the end of their job.
The stadium (or venue) should be full if there is demand.
If draconian scalping rules prevent this it's bad, on-selling is necessary.

These days, there should be a proper exchange/refund sytem hosted by the ticketing agency (with 'fair' and practical rules to prevent scalping).

Guessing there isn't enough demand for it from NZ events though. (Amazon, Google or Apple will probably sort it out one day ?)

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#1333971 30-Jun-2015 10:53

DarthKermit: Whatever you do, don't try to sell tickets on TradeMe

Woah! Some of those comments would breach thier T&C's and those commentators could be removed (Should).

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#1333974 30-Jun-2015 10:55

Those TradeMe comments are gold - quite entertaining.

At the end of the day though, is scalping any different from buying any other item as an investment? Some people buy art, antiques, classic cars, houses, etc. expecting that they will wait for the value to increase over a number of years before selling and making a profit. With concert or sports tickets, you obviously have to sell them before the event which might be months or only days away. But surely the same in principle. So I have no problem with people scalping, but if they are doing this to make a quick buck, should they be paying tax on the profit?

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#1333980 30-Jun-2015 10:59

keewee01: Just heard John Duffy from TradeMe on RadioLIVE. TM's point of view is that they will pull the auction if Ticketek can identify the seats being sold.
I'm sorry, but WTF?

That is just hypocracy - what difference does it make if Ticketek can identify the seats being sold or not? In that case Ticketek will cancel the tickets anyway so any buyer is stuffed.

TradeMe should just pull all auctions for tickets.

Which is strange, because during the cricket world cup they would pull every single auction that was put up regardless of whether or not the ticket numbers were identifiable (usually within 1-2 hours of them going up). I did manage to buy some tickets off trademe for the world cup but only because the seller also had a car for sale which had their cellphone number on the car advert. They genuinely couldn't make the game and I paid face value for them which I thought was more than fair.

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#1333982 30-Jun-2015 11:00

groynk: Selling out of tickets shouldn't be the end of their job.
The stadium (or venue) should be full if there is demand.
If draconian scalping rules prevent this it's bad, on-selling is necessary.

These days, there should be a proper exchange/refund sytem hosted by the ticketing agency (with 'fair' and practical rules to prevent scalping).

Guessing there isn't enough demand for it from NZ events though. (Amazon, Google or Apple will probably sort it out one day ?)

Already sorted, try Stubhub. Although possibly owned by Facebook/Google/Amazon/Ebay.

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#1334032 30-Jun-2015 11:50

My only thoughts on this is that they should have a way of advising that the event has sold out.
I was in a virtual queue for quite a long time (half and hour plus) to find they'd all sold in under 1 minute.
Not sure what form that would take, maybe a specific separate website for a known big event for instance. Aint no point in waiting in a queue when it should have a sign up advising everyone to go home.

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#1334033 30-Jun-2015 11:51

andrew027: Those TradeMe comments are gold - quite entertaining.

At the end of the day though, is scalping any different from buying any other item as an investment? Some people buy art, antiques, classic cars, houses, etc. expecting that they will wait for the value to increase over a number of years before selling and making a profit. With concert or sports tickets, you obviously have to sell them before the event which might be months or only days away. But surely the same in principle. So I have no problem with people scalping, but if they are doing this to make a quick buck, should they be paying tax on the profit?

They 100% should be paying tax on those profits - IRD rules are very clear that anything resold that makes a profit, when the original purchase was with the intention of resale - then tax has to be paid on that profit. (or words to that affect)

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#1334034 30-Jun-2015 11:52

Oh and the other thing is why are radio stations allowed these types of corporate tickets for prizes for events that would sell to fans directly.
This event does not require additional advertising, so I don't see any difference between corporate prize tickets and scalping.

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#1334035 30-Jun-2015 11:55

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#1334036 30-Jun-2015 11:55

Jaxson: My only thoughts on this is that they should have a way of advising that the event has sold out.
I was in a virtual queue for quite a long time (half and hour plus) to find they'd all sold in under 1 minute.
Not sure what form that would take, maybe a specific separate website for a known big event for instance. Aint no point in waiting in a queue when it should have a sign up advising everyone to go home.

But that isn't true as I bought my tickets at 4:45pm; the fact that I got tickets in my cart 3 other times between 4:10pm and my successful payment at 4:45pm suggest there were tickets still available right through. It always failed during the payment process, because either their payment system was failing, or I was reaching the 12min maximum connection time and getting kicked and had to try again. Ticketek's systems are very flawed.

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#1334037 30-Jun-2015 11:56

Jaxson: Oh and the other thing is why are radio stations allowed these types of corporate tickets for prizes for events that would sell to fans directly.
This event does not require additional advertising, so I don't see any difference between corporate prize tickets and scalping.

They are totally different - they are a marketing/promotional item - not neccessarily for that particular event but as part of an ongoing relationship, plus those tickets are provided by the event organiser.

I don't have an issue with these, I have an issue with joe public taking tickets meant for the public and selling them for heaps. But as before - will always be an issue if people are willing to pay it.

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#1334060 30-Jun-2015 12:23

k14:
keewee01: Just heard John Duffy from TradeMe on RadioLIVE. TM's point of view is that they will pull the auction if Ticketek can identify the seats being sold.
I'm sorry, but WTF?

That is just hypocracy - what difference does it make if Ticketek can identify the seats being sold or not? In that case Ticketek will cancel the tickets anyway so any buyer is stuffed.

TradeMe should just pull all auctions for tickets.

Which is strange, because during the cricket world cup they would pull every single auction that was put up regardless of whether or not the ticket numbers were identifiable (usually within 1-2 hours of them going up). I did manage to buy some tickets off trademe for the world cup but only because the seller also had a car for sale which had their cellphone number on the car advert. They genuinely couldn't make the game and I paid face value for them which I thought was more than fair.

I could be wrong here, and hopefully someone will correct me in that case, but the cricket world cup may well have been declared a 'national event' and therefore covered by (anti)scalping laws, i.e. making on-selling illegal by law, causing trademe to cancel them. The Super15 final has not been declared a national event.

Sometimes I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.

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#1334099 30-Jun-2015 13:24

floydbloke:
k14:
keewee01: Just heard John Duffy from TradeMe on RadioLIVE. TM's point of view is that they will pull the auction if Ticketek can identify the seats being sold.
I'm sorry, but WTF?

That is just hypocracy - what difference does it make if Ticketek can identify the seats being sold or not? In that case Ticketek will cancel the tickets anyway so any buyer is stuffed.

TradeMe should just pull all auctions for tickets.

Which is strange, because during the cricket world cup they would pull every single auction that was put up regardless of whether or not the ticket numbers were identifiable (usually within 1-2 hours of them going up). I did manage to buy some tickets off trademe for the world cup but only because the seller also had a car for sale which had their cellphone number on the car advert. They genuinely couldn't make the game and I paid face value for them which I thought was more than fair.

I could be wrong here, and hopefully someone will correct me in that case, but the cricket world cup may well have been declared a 'national event' and therefore covered by (anti)scalping laws, i.e. making on-selling illegal by law, causing trademe to cancel them. The Super15 final has not been declared a national event.

That is correct - the Super 15 Final has not been declared a national event. Which begs the question - why should they be treated differently?

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#1334103 30-Jun-2015 13:30

keewee01: Which begs the question - why should they be treated differently?

But... But... "RUGBY!!!" :-)

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