Worker sacked from her 16-year council job for taking home 10 leftover sausages

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#1577244 20-Jun-2016 16:22

MikeB4:

My last employer had at least 20 staff lawyers and countless accountants.

Those most qualified to count beans can't count themselves?

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#1577261 20-Jun-2016 16:44

Geektastic:

MikeB4:
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joker97:

You don't know Australia. It's like America. Letters of the law, technicalities, and lawyers rule the land. I told my cousin (a barrister) about my house relocation and how I thought about hiring students from the SJS ... he almost tried to slap and choke me - because, as he explained, if he invited me to his house and I tripped on his lawn, he is liable for millions of dollars. Let alone hiring some kids to carry stuff around!

Anyway, there is no common sense in Australia. Only lawyers.

And yet I read somewhere that NZ has more lawyers as a percentage of the population than almost anywhere else.

In a country in which you cannot sue for incompetence, I was left wondering what they do all day!

Our percentage is not that different to other comparable counties

1. U.S. 1 lawyer for every 300 people
2. Brazil: 1 lawyer for every 326 people
3. New Zealand: 1 lawyer for every 391 people
4. Spain: 1 lawyer for every 395 people
5. UK: 1 lawyer for every 401 people
6. Italy: 1 lawyer for every 488 people
7. Germany: 1 lawyer for every 593 people
8. France: 1 lawyer for every 1,403 people

Yes but we can't sue people. All 7 other countries on that list can. We have an economy considerably smaller than most of those too I would say, with commensurately less large businesses and so forth requiring lawyers for take overs, regulatory work and so on too.

What do ours do all day, in that case?

I'm sure we can sue people!

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#1577262 20-Jun-2016 16:47

Fred99:

MikeB4:

My last employer had at least 20 staff lawyers and countless accountants.

<chortle>

Those most qualified to count beans can't count themselves?

Hahahaha I see what you did there :)

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#1577266 20-Jun-2016 16:49

Geektastic:

MikeB4:

Our percentage is not that different to other comparable counties

1. U.S. 1 lawyer for every 300 people
2. Brazil: 1 lawyer for every 326 people
3. New Zealand: 1 lawyer for every 391 people
4. Spain: 1 lawyer for every 395 people
5. UK: 1 lawyer for every 401 people
6. Italy: 1 lawyer for every 488 people
7. Germany: 1 lawyer for every 593 people
8. France: 1 lawyer for every 1,403 people

Yes but we can't sue people. All 7 other countries on that list can. We have an economy considerably smaller than most of those too I would say, with commensurately less large businesses and so forth requiring lawyers for take overs, regulatory work and so on too.

What do ours do all day, in that case?

Here's a theory. Perhaps our public defender lawyers have more than 30 seconds to look at a case. I'll grant you its a rather optimistic view but its theoretically possible.

Please note: I have a professional bias towards Vodafone.

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#1577320 20-Jun-2016 17:48

A quick check of other sources suggests the sausages were uncooked and being in a bag.

Who thinks uncooked sausages count as leftovers? What if it were a sealed bag of 10?

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#1577344 20-Jun-2016 18:29

hashbrown: A quick check of other sources suggests the sausages were uncooked and being in a bag.

Who thinks uncooked sausages count as leftovers? What if it were a sealed bag of 10?

I expect the merciless British court system mulled over such things with the regard to the details of the stolen apple, before deciding to transport the offender to found (white) Australia.

I do think uncooked sausages left over are just as leftover as cooked sausages left over.

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#1577356 20-Jun-2016 19:01

Fred99:

hashbrown: A quick check of other sources suggests the sausages were uncooked and being in a bag.

Who thinks uncooked sausages count as leftovers? What if it were a sealed bag of 10?

I expect the merciless British court system mulled over such things with the regard to the details of the stolen apple, before deciding to transport the offender to found (white) Australia.

I do think uncooked sausages left over are just as leftover as cooked sausages left over.

It does smell like someone was on the look out to get her fired.

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#1577359 20-Jun-2016 19:14

joker97:

Fred99:

hashbrown: A quick check of other sources suggests the sausages were uncooked and being in a bag.

Who thinks uncooked sausages count as leftovers? What if it were a sealed bag of 10?

I expect the merciless British court system mulled over such things with the regard to the details of the stolen apple, before deciding to transport the offender to found (white) Australia.

I do think uncooked sausages left over are just as leftover as cooked sausages left over.

It does smell like someone was on the look out to get her fired.

Why? The decision was reviewed. Do you know the details? Do you know the staff members employment record?

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#1577363 20-Jun-2016 19:32

Why not?

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#1577423 20-Jun-2016 22:16

joker97:

It does smell like someone was on the look out to get her fired.

More like the fishy smell of clickbait.

Woman steals at least $40 of unprepared food, get's fired and an independent body confirms the decision was fair.

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#1577594 21-Jun-2016 11:08

MikeB4:

A lot of lawyers (probably the majority) and accountants are staff. My last employer had at least 20 staff lawyers and countless accountants.

I think you'll find Geektastic was asking about how exactly it works in Australia, which is what I responded about.

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#1577620 21-Jun-2016 12:31

Read all about it:

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/57427e95e4b05f2c4f04e4a8

Or just skip to the:

Conclusion

I have taken into account, and given due weight to, the applicant’s 16 years and four months of previously unblemished service with the Council.
Against this, I have determined that the three matters which led to the termination of the applicant’s employment were, when considered together, sufficiently serious such as to render her dismissal not unfair.
I also have taken into account the applicant’s lack of honesty in relation to her whereabouts on the evening of Tuesday 8 December 2015, for a period of one hour and 40 minutes, when she should have been at work, performing her duties at the Sports Centre.
I agree with the submission of Ms Rooke for the Council that the applicant has failed to establish that her dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable.
The application by Genna April Merrin for relief in relation to unfair dismissal is dismissed.
I so order.

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#1577623 21-Jun-2016 12:33

Geektastic:

MikeB4:
Geektastic:

joker97:

You don't know Australia. It's like America. Letters of the law, technicalities, and lawyers rule the land. I told my cousin (a barrister) about my house relocation and how I thought about hiring students from the SJS ... he almost tried to slap and choke me - because, as he explained, if he invited me to his house and I tripped on his lawn, he is liable for millions of dollars. Let alone hiring some kids to carry stuff around!

Anyway, there is no common sense in Australia. Only lawyers.

And yet I read somewhere that NZ has more lawyers as a percentage of the population than almost anywhere else.

In a country in which you cannot sue for incompetence, I was left wondering what they do all day!

Our percentage is not that different to other comparable counties

1. U.S. 1 lawyer for every 300 people
2. Brazil: 1 lawyer for every 326 people
3. New Zealand: 1 lawyer for every 391 people
4. Spain: 1 lawyer for every 395 people
5. UK: 1 lawyer for every 401 people
6. Italy: 1 lawyer for every 488 people
7. Germany: 1 lawyer for every 593 people
8. France: 1 lawyer for every 1,403 people

Yes but we can't sue people. All 7 other countries on that list can. We have an economy considerably smaller than most of those too I would say, with commensurately less large businesses and so forth requiring lawyers for take overs, regulatory work and so on too.

What do ours do all day, in that case?

A very large criminal community? Lawyers don't only sue...

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#1577663 21-Jun-2016 13:49

dickytim:

A very large criminal community? Lawyers don't only sue...

One of our Lawyer friends would be able to give a better indication but I feel the biggest percentage of the work done by Lawyers in NZ is corporate, property, family (estates etc) and other administrative stuff.

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#1578086 22-Jun-2016 09:13

That's $4 per sausage!

hashbrown:

More like the fishy smell of clickbait.

Woman steals at least $40 of unprepared food, get's fired and an independent body confirms the decision was fair.

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