Dairy prices continue to slide as GDT drops 3.5% (Nov 20 Global Dairy Auction)

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#2131066 21-Nov-2018 13:24

Keep in mind the effects of exchange rate movements. Supposedly if the NZ$ remains 1c lower on average compared to the US$, Fonterra earns over $100million per year more. While a lower exchange rate will make alternative milks more expensive. As I doubt that any of them are manufactured in NZ.

Then there is the problems of the European Common Agricultural Policy. Billions spent on keeping unproductive farms operational.

As for any health issues from drinking milk. They are almost certainly less than the health problems from drinking fizzy drinks and alcohol.

If people start drinking less milk, it is important to consider what they will be drinking instead.

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#2131068 21-Nov-2018 13:30

kobiak:

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Geektastic: Milk is only produced by mammals. Soy beans, almonds etc cannot produce milk and it should not be allowed to be labelled as milk because it isn't milk.

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there should be rules for labeling products. Call the-hell-you-want-it but not MILK if it's not MILK.

Coconut milk?

Milk of magnesia?

Milk of Human Kindness?

"White color water" - would suit me the most.

nothing stops them to produce any other color water.

White colour water of Human Kindness doesn't have quite the same poetic ring...

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#2131145 21-Nov-2018 14:44

Gluten-free is so last week. This week all the cool kids are dairy free, didn't you know? Dairy is the new poison.

The housing shortage is caused by disparate local and central govt policies. Cows are pooping all over the river banks whilst everyone else is landlocked in million dollar postage stamps because the city council's restrictive planning rules. If the cows weren't there the only thing that would be is gorse, so don't blame to cows.

On topic, we have the most efficient, lease subsidised diary industry in the world. Yeap, we may have passed peak diary but I think we will be OK. Also dairy is a huge export earner. If you want to shut it down on the alter on environmentalism, you're going to really cut back on all those imported cars, flat-screen TV's and phones you buy. Also you can probably look forward to an uptick in mortgage rates and petrol prices as the dollar slides.

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#2131177 21-Nov-2018 15:47

tripper1000:

Gluten-free is so last week. This week all the cool kids are dairy free, didn't you know? Dairy is the new poison.

The housing shortage is caused by disparate local and central govt policies. Cows are pooping all over the river banks whilst everyone else is landlocked in million dollar postage stamps because the city council's restrictive planning rules. If the cows weren't there the only thing that would be is gorse, so don't blame to cows.

On topic, we have the most efficient, lease subsidised diary industry in the world. Yeap, we may have passed peak diary but I think we will be OK. Also dairy is a huge export earner. If you want to shut it down on the alter on environmentalism, you're going to really cut back on all those imported cars, flat-screen TV's and phones you buy. Also you can probably look forward to an uptick in mortgage rates and petrol prices as the dollar slides.

For quite a large percentage of the population lactose intolerance is a real and very limiting problem. Humans only have a limited supply of lactase the enzyme that aids lactose digestion and when it is gone dairy is a big problem. I take lactase tablets when I go out for dinner as I don't trust restaurants when asked if diary free is actually dairy free.

As for the affects of dairy farming on our waterways that is well and truly documented. Viable water supply is going to be a precious commodity going forward and our supply needs to be protected.

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#2131188 21-Nov-2018 16:08

I was knocking the attention seekers, not those who have a genuine medical condition. If you know anyone with a genuine condition (2x brothers and a partner in my case) then the attention seekers seem all the more ridiculous.

There is certainly no excuse for damaging water ways, but I genuinely believe water quality is on the mend.

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#2131232 21-Nov-2018 18:01

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The links to certain cancers have not been concluded or excluded and is still under investigation so I didn't include it. . There is evidence the consumption of dairy my increase risks of prostrate and ovarian cancers. oh and I am not an anti dairy zealot, I am intolerant (by medical diagnosis not internet diagnosis) to lactose. I use Zero lactose milk for example.

Overall, the *WCRF/AICR panel concluded that "The evidence is inconsistent from both cohort and case-control studies. There is limited evidence suggesting that milk and dairy products are a cause of prostate cancer.

* World Cancer Research Fund / American Institute for Cancer Research.

I'd also call BS on your claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's. More likely is if there's a correlation, then it's due to overconsumption of everything and obesity, lack of exercise, and other mainly lifestyle related matters.

Well Dr Fredd my advice regarding this came from.......

My Daughter= Dr of Medicine and medical researcher

My Specialist.

My GP

Oh and where in my posts did I state "claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's." ? I submit you are exagerarting to try and make your view more plausible.

I'd definitely go with the advice of your professionals, because this beast called "evidence" is a funny thing.

For example, the biggest single mainstay of treatment in a cardiac arrest according to the advanced cardiac life support guideline is Adrenaline. But when you look at the studies, there is actually no evidence that it actually saves lives. But please don't question the paramedics when they turn up at the door, or the specialist in the hospital. Just let them get on with it.

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#2131233 21-Nov-2018 18:01

MikeB4:

Fred99:

MikeB4:

The links to certain cancers have not been concluded or excluded and is still under investigation so I didn't include it. . There is evidence the consumption of dairy my increase risks of prostrate and ovarian cancers. oh and I am not an anti dairy zealot, I am intolerant (by medical diagnosis not internet diagnosis) to lactose. I use Zero lactose milk for example.

Overall, the *WCRF/AICR panel concluded that "The evidence is inconsistent from both cohort and case-control studies. There is limited evidence suggesting that milk and dairy products are a cause of prostate cancer.

* World Cancer Research Fund / American Institute for Cancer Research.

I'd also call BS on your claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's. More likely is if there's a correlation, then it's due to overconsumption of everything and obesity, lack of exercise, and other mainly lifestyle related matters.

Well Dr Fredd my advice regarding this came from.......

My Daughter= Dr of Medicine and medical researcher

My Specialist.

My GP

Oh and where in my posts did I state "claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's." ? I submit you are exagerarting to try and make your view more plausible.

I'd definitely go with the advice of your professionals, because this beast called "evidence" is a funny thing.

For example, the biggest single mainstay of treatment in a cardiac arrest according to the advanced cardiac life support guideline is Adrenaline. But when you look at the studies, there is actually no "evidence" that it actually saves lives. But I've never seen anyone question the paramedics when they turn up at the door, or the specialist in the hospital. Just let them get on with it. Let your GP get on with it & I know you already do :)

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#2131264 21-Nov-2018 19:45

all you fellas dissing vegan cheese need to get out and try all the raft of new brands and or re-makes of the brand you may had once tried.

A prolliferation of vegan cheese and dairy products in the past year... mayos and yoghurts are a bit suss on taste but the cheese (cheedars etc), are actually not too bad.

you just have to try a few...

Goat cheese is nice....specfically Goat Gouda.

p.s. im not a vegan or vegetarian... just have family with allergies to dairy.

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#2131265 21-Nov-2018 19:49

Batman:

I'd definitely go with the advice of your professionals, because this beast called "evidence" is a funny thing.

I wouldn't - not if they're saying that dairy/milk as part of a balanced diet is harmful to health, unless there are specific conditions for which it should probably best be excluded (ie lactose intolerance).

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#2131268 21-Nov-2018 19:56

Goosey:

all you fellas dissing vegan cheese need to get out and try all the raft of new brands and or re-makes of the brand you may had once tried.

A prolliferation of vegan cheese and dairy products in the past year... mayos and yoghurts are a bit suss on taste but the cheese (cheedars etc), are actually not too bad.

you just have to try a few...

Goat cheese is nice....specfically Goat Gouda.

p.s. im not a vegan or vegetarian... just have family with allergies to dairy.

I like sheep cheese, kind of like goat cheese but less "goaty".

There's was French guy selling vegan cheeses at our local market. It was damned nice - small rounds of peppered cheese based on cashew nuts IIRC, but very expensive, probably $100/kg.

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#2131285 21-Nov-2018 20:45

Fred99:

Goosey:

all you fellas dissing vegan cheese need to get out and try all the raft of new brands and or re-makes of the brand you may had once tried.

A prolliferation of vegan cheese and dairy products in the past year... mayos and yoghurts are a bit suss on taste but the cheese (cheedars etc), are actually not too bad.

you just have to try a few...

Goat cheese is nice....specfically Goat Gouda.

p.s. im not a vegan or vegetarian... just have family with allergies to dairy.

I like sheep cheese, kind of like goat cheese but less "goaty".

There's was French guy selling vegan cheeses at our local market. It was damned nice - small rounds of peppered cheese based on cashew nuts IIRC, but very expensive, probably $100/kg.

Supermarkets (decent ones) are full of selections these days... $7-10 bucks gets you a block. Use sparingly though....the taste is very sharp.

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#2132330 23-Nov-2018 05:30

as like other people have said on the thread " Dairy prices continue to slide as GDT drops 3.5% (Nov 20 Global Dairy Auction)"

there seems to be nothing talking about the price more of bashing the dairy farmer and alternative milk is good

the topic should been alternative milk is better than natural?

yes i am a dairy farmer

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#2132358 23-Nov-2018 07:56

Im happy to stick with my Mainland Tasty...even though the price (off special) is crazy and never drops despite milk farm gate prices. I guess thats Fonterra!

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#2132410 23-Nov-2018 09:20

Bluntj:
Im happy to stick with my Mainland Tasty...even though the price (off special) is crazy and never drops despite milk farm gate prices. I guess thats Fonterra!

It would more likely to be the supermarkets that are keeping it expensive. As I don't think that there is lots of demand elasticity with cheese. In that a price drop probably won't cause a big rise in cheese sales.

So they will sell it at the highest price that they can get away with. I would much rather Fonterra be taking the profit from higher cheese prices.

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#2140411 6-Dec-2018 10:17

Fonterra slashes milk price forecast and plans on selling Tip Top.

Fonterra has cut its farmgate milk price forecast for 2018/19 to $6.00 to 6.30 kg of milk solids from a previous range of $6.25 to $6.50/kg, and has confirmed that its Tip Top ice cream business is up for sale.

"We are also looking at our ongoing ownership of Tip Top and have appointed FNZC as our external advisor to work with us as we consider a range of options," [chairman John Monaghan] said.

"We want to see Tip Top remain a New Zealand based business and this is being factored into our options."

"While performing well, Tip Top is our only ice cream business and has reached maturity as an investment for us.

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