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#2284530 27-Jul-2019 12:22

josephhinvest: 🔘 🇬🇧 English
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They didn't even simplify it consistently. For example, "practice/practise" both became "practice" with a C, yet "licence/license" became "license" with an S!

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#2284578 27-Jul-2019 15:01

There is an argument to be made that "sodder" is closer to the original pronunciation, from the french Souder (but you'll never catch me saying sodder, to be clear).

As for "rooter", that's just silly. You follow a "rowte", you plan a "rowte" and the device chooses a "rowte" for your packets, therefore it's a "rowter", if your router roots your packets, get a new router.

Also, SQL is Ess Queue Ell, not sequel, there's no bleedin' E!

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#2284580 27-Jul-2019 15:04

sleemanj: You follow a "rowte", you plan a "rowte"

Speak for yourself...

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#2284645 27-Jul-2019 18:17

i would hazard a guess that ‘Rout’ is likely a Norman word, so the ou sound could be pronounced oo. I think the same applies in gaelic (although not sure).

however, I think in the old saxon language, the ou (double vowel) becomes a dipthong, so could have been pronounced as in ‘out’. The R is a semi-vowel, and I think might absorb a vowel at the end of a word ‘are’ becomes ‘ar’ I guess but I can’t remember what happens to a semi-vowel at the front of a word - from memory I think it enhances the consonant sound. So you end up with rout sounding like ‘out’

Perhaps solder changes because the L is treated as a mute consonant as in would and could.

Aluminium is the name of the element. Alumina is the ore (I think).

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#2284674 27-Jul-2019 20:33

I don’t think I’ve heard ‘sodder’ yet. Slightly bemused since I’m pretty sure they can pronounce ‘soldier’ correctly, yet are apparently messing up ‘solder’

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#2284699 27-Jul-2019 21:59

TwoSeven:
i would hazard a guess that ‘Rout’ is likely a Norman word, so the ou sound could be pronounced oo. I think the same applies in gaelic (although not sure).

however, I think in the old saxon language, the ou (double vowel) becomes a dipthong, so could have been pronounced as in ‘out’. The R is a semi-vowel, and I think might absorb a vowel at the end of a word ‘are’ becomes ‘ar’ I guess but I can’t remember what happens to a semi-vowel at the front of a word - from memory I think it enhances the consonant sound. So you end up with rout sounding like ‘out’

Perhaps solder changes because the L is treated as a mute consonant as in would and could.

Aluminium is the name of the element. Alumina is the ore (I think).

From the Old French 'rute', so post Old English. It is a pretty oddball spelling.

Could's spelling was modified to cosmetically match would and should. Those words came from Old English. Solder was modified to match it's Latin origin but originally entered English without the l from Old French. Other words weren't updated, e.g we may pulverise a substance to powder.

Aluminum is still an accepted variant spelling for the element.

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#2284702 27-Jul-2019 22:09

That link makes me wonder if anybody says "traceroot", surely not.

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#2284705 27-Jul-2019 22:34

Brunzy: Sawed ...Sod
Sold ...Solder

Was in a Supermarket in the US last week and asked where I’d find Beetroot.
After 3 or 4 goes he said “ do you want hand cream “ ???
BTW they’re called beets ;-)

Sorry - you actually WANTED beetroot?! 🤮

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#2284710 27-Jul-2019 23:50

When I was in a US supermarket it took me a few tries to explain cordial without them thinking I was asking about manners. Once they did figure out what I was after it turned out they only have frozen fruit concentrate in those tubes similar to the ones that you get their ‘biscuit dough’ in.

I left with Ribena out of the international section cause I hadn’t had it for a while and couldn’t be arsed thawing my drink base.

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#2284715 28-Jul-2019 00:42

Geektastic:
Brunzy: Sawed ...Sod
Sold ...Solder

Was in a Supermarket in the US last week and asked where I’d find Beetroot.
After 3 or 4 goes he said “ do you want hand cream “ ???
BTW they’re called beets ;-)

Sorry - you actually WANTED beetroot?! 🤮

Don’t shoot the messenger, ;-)). swmbo

Actually I like Beetroot

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#2284754 28-Jul-2019 09:56

sleemanj:

As for "rooter", that's just silly. You follow a "rowte", you plan a "rowte" and the device chooses a "rowte" for your packets, therefore it's a "rowter", if your router roots your packets, get a new router.

Even this doesn’t make it clear - because it depends on how you pronounce ‘row’. Is it pronounced as ‘roe’ (as in propelling a boat) or ‘rau’ (as in an argument)?

So under your explanation you could have router pronounced as roe-ter or rau-ter.

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#2284759 28-Jul-2019 10:04

eracode:
Even this doesn’t make it clear - because it depends on how you pronounce ‘row’. Is it pronounced as ‘roe’ (as in propelling a boat) or ‘rau’ (as in an argument)?

So under your explanation you could have router pronounced as roe-ter or rau-ter.

No no, it is pronounced throatwarbler mangrove.

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#2284797 28-Jul-2019 12:10

rhy7s:
TwoSeven:
i would hazard a guess that ‘Rout’ is likely a Norman word, so the ou sound could be pronounced oo. I think the same applies in gaelic (although not sure).

however, I think in the old saxon language, the ou (double vowel) becomes a dipthong, so could have been pronounced as in ‘out’. The R is a semi-vowel, and I think might absorb a vowel at the end of a word ‘are’ becomes ‘ar’ I guess but I can’t remember what happens to a semi-vowel at the front of a word - from memory I think it enhances the consonant sound. So you end up with rout sounding like ‘out’

Perhaps solder changes because the L is treated as a mute consonant as in would and could.

Aluminium is the name of the element. Alumina is the ore (I think).

From the Old French 'rute', so post Old English. It is a pretty oddball spelling.

Could's spelling was modified to cosmetically match would and should. Those words came from Old English. Solder was modified to match it's Latin origin but originally entered English without the l from Old French. Other words weren't updated, e.g we may pulverise a substance to powder.

Aluminum is still an accepted variant spelling for the element.

I think Old english is basically the saxon language (both the jutes and angles spoke the same language). In the late european bronze age, this I think was the same as the Danish language.

I would suggest the Old french as a language didn’t turn up for another 400 years after the saxon settling of Britannia, during the Viking period when languages started to adopt a more modern form of danish known as Norse.

Roman latin (before saxon english) has the word ‘’plumbo’ which means to make of lead. Circumplumbo - to cover in lead. Adplumbo - to solder on (with lead). Also, ferrumin which means cement, solder, glue.

My suggestion that the L is a mute consonant was because in the modern regional dialect the double L is sometimes simplified to a single one, suggesting the single L is being dropped or not pronounced.

Aluminium was discovered by Hans Christian Orsted from memory when researching the salt Alum. It is my understanding the latin suffix -ium is added in chemistry to denote a metal.

Aluminum to me would be a regional dialect of the word aluminium as one has mentioned and in common enough usage for people to interchange it.

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#2284817 28-Jul-2019 14:11

TwoSeven: Aluminium is the name of the element. Alumina is the ore (I think).

rhy7s: Aluminum is still an accepted variant spelling for the element.

I decided to look it up. The answer is here. In short, it comes down to the original namer of the element changing his mind over the spelling with several intervening years and an American dictionary, even later in the piece, settling on the original spelling.

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#2284923 28-Jul-2019 19:33

Dratsab:
TwoSeven: Aluminium is the name of the element. Alumina is the ore (I think).

rhy7s: Aluminum is still an accepted variant spelling for the element.

I decided to look it up. The answer is here. In short, it comes down to the original namer of the element changing his mind over the spelling with several intervening years and an American dictionary, even later in the piece, settling on the original spelling.

I am not sure that article is correct.

It was my understanding that the extract of the salt alum, was to be called alumium, but was changed to aluminium). The -ium exists on both.

It wouldn’t make sense for an english scientist to use the american vernacular and spell the word -um both because other metals were named -ium and the websters dictionary was still in its early days.

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