Hierarchy of a mistake: Gerry Brownlee

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#1095787 25-Jul-2014 18:01

joker97: Absolutely, yes he has made a mistake and in the process committed a crime of intentionally breaching airport security. Let the investigation run it's course and inflict punishment.

And that's how it should be, trial by press or opposition BS is not the way it should be.

I think he should step down from Ministerial Warrants until the outcome of inquiries. He has to his credit passing on his authority regarding CAA.

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#1095802 25-Jul-2014 18:36

joker97:

Well our prisons are full of people who "Made mistakes" then.

Aaron Gilmore made a mistake, which did NOT include breaking the law.We know how that ended.

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#1095829 25-Jul-2014 19:46

I would be interested to know how many times he has done this previously. Instinct tells me probably a few. On a material level it 'potentially' does compromise the safety of other passengers.

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#1095853 25-Jul-2014 20:14

gzt: I would be interested to know how many times he has done this previously. Instinct tells me probably a few. On a material level it 'potentially' does compromise the safety of other passengers.

Yep, and it DOES happen in NZ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Airways_Flight_2279

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#1095874 25-Jul-2014 20:40

sir1963:
gzt: I would be interested to know how many times he has done this previously. Instinct tells me probably a few. On a material level it 'potentially' does compromise the safety of other passengers.

Yep, and it DOES happen in NZ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Airways_Flight_2279

I was waiting for someone to bring this up....

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#1095885 25-Jul-2014 21:14

I guess it had to be sometime. Yeah it's pretty rare and not really worth considering in this context. The security screenings now have evolved into a dual purpose. Firstly the terrorism thing everyone thinks of and then safety screening for things like lithium batteries and aerosol etc. Therefore it seems we are unlikely to ever get rid of it, but we can look forward to it being fully automated one day.

So on this basis, Brownlee skipped a safety screening thereby putting other passengers at 'potential' risk purely for his own benefit.

Now this event has occurred, the aviation authority will need have to have an inquiry of some kind so they can find out if this approach to safety is a common practice.

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#1095906 25-Jul-2014 22:39

gzt: I would be interested to know how many times he has done this previously. Instinct tells me probably a few. On a material level it 'potentially' does compromise the safety of other passengers.

Well there is always this.. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1191987

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#1095959 26-Jul-2014 04:30

BlueShift: He's just lucky our airport security folks aren't armed. Try that trick in the US and you're asking to be stopped permanently.

TSA in the US isn't armed, meanwhile police in airports are just like they are in NZ too

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#1097781 29-Jul-2014 11:14

I see this thing as a storm in a tea cup. He is a minister of the crown. Our ministers travel on public air transport, saving a lot of money compared to the alternative of a fleet of aircraft for ministerial use.

Yes he should have been on time, but senior minster's schedules are punishing and they are going to run late on occasion. I don't think it is unreasonable for them to ask to bypass security if they happen to be running late. Ministers (regardless of party allegiance) are VIPs and should be treated as such.

As to the 'offence' I am not so sure. If he asked and was given permission, then it might be hard to say an offence had been committed.

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#1097801 29-Jul-2014 11:42

If you think he's a VIP just hold the plane rather than Jetstar the door in his face. As frequent travellers they should be well practised at the inspection routine so how long would it have taken?

I've heard that at Wellington??? the inspection point is shifting to the start of the fingerway rather than individual gate lounges.

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#1097806 29-Jul-2014 11:58

Yes that's what he should have done, but for a serious brain explosion. Let him face the music. Which may cost him his job. Let's see where the investigation leads

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#1097880 29-Jul-2014 13:36

Cutting into the front of the screening queue wouldn't have been hard for him, and screening takes literally 30 seconds or less. I doubt 30 seconds would make the difference. If gate staff were willing to let him in a side door, I am sure they would also have been willing to hold the plane another 30 seconds.

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#1097891 29-Jul-2014 14:00

As far as I see it, if he was allowed through by a member of security or staff, it is them who have a case to answer not him.

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#1097895 29-Jul-2014 14:04

ajobbins: Cutting into the front of the screening queue wouldn't have been hard for him, and screening takes literally 30 seconds or less. I doubt 30 seconds would make the difference. If gate staff were willing to let him in a side door, I am sure they would also have been willing to hold the plane another 30 seconds.

This is just wrong sorry.

The point seems to have been missed that the minster for transport knows that there is a problem with the resourcing of the security check points and rather than fixing the issue is just using his position to side step it.

The key issue here should be why the minister is not actually being asked to fix the resourcing for all New Zealanders and traveling public?

In Christchurch there should be 4 lanes with as many machines, not 1.

Yes these machines are expensive, but so are jets and so is the $300 million Wellington is looking at spending to expand its runway.

I have no issue with a user pays system as well, where you can swipe your 'frequent users' card and use an express lane that costs you $15 dollars a time.

I don't expect the same level of service on my $39 dollar flight as someone who is paying $250 to travel to the same place.

As for holding the plane, that is just wrong. Other people paid to be on time. They paid to not be delayed by another New Zealander.

Sure if you're flying out of some where that only has one flight a day, then yes, I could excuse holding the plane for 20 minutes to catch a group.

But Christchurch has hourly flights and there is just no reason that the minster couldn't have caught a flight the following hour.

Holding planes at Christchurch to Wellington can have a knock on effect as planes miss take off and landing windows.

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#1097897 29-Jul-2014 14:09

networkn: As far as I see it, if he was allowed through by a member of security or staff, it is them who have a case to answer not him.

Sorry but I find that unreasonable.

Mr Brownlee is effectively the boss of your orginisation.

It was a question that the boss should not have asked.

From an employment point of view, he asked a staff member to engage in an illegal act on behalf of the company.

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