Why dig those brave souls out only to bury them again?

Skylab:

 

Why dig those brave souls out only to bury them again?

 

Until you have been through it, people don't know. The mines location is apparently not a not place to visit, so I don't think families want to go there, to put flowers on the grave. Going to the same place that caused the death, is incredibly hard.  It is the same really for anyone who goes missing, who they know has died, families want to bring the body home so that it can be put to rest in a place of their choosing, as it brings healing and closure.

gzt: 3News is reporting that the families and their representatives have determined that the access road to the mine is on private land.

The land owner has now given control of access to the families.

The mine will not be sealed.

This is straightforward to negate.

1) The lawyers will look to see if easements were obtained by adverse possession or some other method as apparently the RoW has been in use for quite some time

2) They can fly the concrete and personnel in by helicopter I would think

3) The government can use the Public Works Act and compulsorily acquire the land for designation as a public road as well I imagine

4) If you wanted an esoteric possibility they could move the materials in by hovercraft as technically they fly, so the ownership of the road would not be enough to prevent them using the 'airspace' above it...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11766014

"New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has offered himself to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine where 29 miners perished in 2010."

Of course this is a political stunt, but I have no doubt Peters would carry it out, if he could refrain from lighting up long enough to get in and out.

This news should perhaps belong in one of the "Prime Minister" threads. It's a difficult one for English to respond to - will be interesting to see his reaction - if any.

Fred99:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11766014

 

"New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has offered himself to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine where 29 miners perished in 2010."

 

Of course this is a political stunt, but I have no doubt Peters would carry it out, if he could refrain from lighting up long enough to get in and out.

 

This news should perhaps belong in one of the "Prime Minister" threads. It's a difficult one for English to respond to - will be interesting to see his reaction - if any.

 

an attempt to make cheap political mileage out of folks grief, I sincerely hope that Mr English does not bite at the bait. This goes to show that Mr Peters should never lead this country.

Fred99:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11766014

 

"New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has offered himself to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine where 29 miners perished in 2010."

 

Of course this is a political stunt, but I have no doubt Peters would carry it out, if he could refrain from lighting up long enough to get in and out.

 

This news should perhaps belong in one of the "Prime Minister" threads. It's a difficult one for English to respond to - will be interesting to see his reaction - if any.

 

Send him down, I'll pay for a Taxi.

MikeB4:

 

Fred99:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11766014

 

"New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has offered himself to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine where 29 miners perished in 2010."

 

Of course this is a political stunt, but I have no doubt Peters would carry it out, if he could refrain from lighting up long enough to get in and out.

 

This news should perhaps belong in one of the "Prime Minister" threads. It's a difficult one for English to respond to - will be interesting to see his reaction - if any.

 

 

 

 

an attempt to make cheap political mileage out of folks grief, I sincerely hope that Mr English does not bite at the bait. This goes to show that Mr Peters should never lead this country.

 

Yup, unfortunately there is no low that Winston Peters can't find and dig himself under. 

networkn:

 

Fred99:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11766014

 

"New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has offered himself to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine where 29 miners perished in 2010."

 

Of course this is a political stunt, but I have no doubt Peters would carry it out, if he could refrain from lighting up long enough to get in and out.

 

This news should perhaps belong in one of the "Prime Minister" threads. It's a difficult one for English to respond to - will be interesting to see his reaction - if any.

 

 

 

 

Send him down, I'll pay for a Taxi.

 

I'll stand guard at the entrance to make sure he doesnt try and come back up, although with the amount of preservatives that must be running through that fossil, he might just be able to do it

Geektastic:

 

gzt: 3News is reporting that the families and their representatives have determined that the access road to the mine is on private land.

The land owner has now given control of access to the families.

The mine will not be sealed.

 

 

 

This is straightforward to negate.

 

 

 

1) The lawyers will look to see if easements were obtained by adverse possession or some other method as apparently the RoW has been in use for quite some time

 

2) They can fly the concrete and personnel in by helicopter I would think

 

3) The government can use the Public Works Act and compulsorily acquire the land for designation as a public road as well I imagine

 

4) If you wanted an esoteric possibility they could move the materials in by hovercraft as technically they fly, so the ownership of the road would not be enough to prevent them using the 'airspace' above it...

 

 

 

If you listened to RNZ yesterday, I don't think any of those options would fly. The government potentially can do anything though, but that is a very slippery slope. I also think it would be political suicide to force anything on this, especially in election year.

What I want to know, and is a question I keep on asking but none has replied to, is why do they need to seal it. Also why does the seal need to be permanent. Apparently this is a crime scene, so their should always be the potential to revisit the scene in the future, as either technology improves, or the environment changes. We may have sophisticated robots that can go in easily, that can do exactly what humans can do.  W can't be all that far away from that sort of thing. 10, maybe 20 years away.

sen8or:

 

networkn:

 

Fred99:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11766014

 

"New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has offered himself to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine where 29 miners perished in 2010."

 

Of course this is a political stunt, but I have no doubt Peters would carry it out, if he could refrain from lighting up long enough to get in and out.

 

This news should perhaps belong in one of the "Prime Minister" threads. It's a difficult one for English to respond to - will be interesting to see his reaction - if any.

 

 

 

 

Send him down, I'll pay for a Taxi.

 

 

 

 

I'll stand guard at the entrance to make sure he doesnt try and come back up, although with the amount of preservatives that must be running through that fossil, he might just be able to do it

 

His big head may get stuck and seal the mine unintentionally.

mattwnz:

 

What I want to know, and is a question I keep on asking but none has replied to, is why do they need to seal it. Also why does the seal need to be permanent. Apparently this is a crime scene, so their should always be the potential to revisit the scene in the future, as either technology improves, or the environment changes. We may have sophisticated robots that can go in easily, that can do exactly what humans can do.  W can't be all that far away from that sort of thing. 10, maybe 20 years away.

 

I heard on Morning Report a couple of weeks ago that the 'permanent' seal is not absolutely permanent. It can be opened up again if there is a renewed desire to go in.

As a few people have pointed out this afternoon if the mine was reopened and anybody was injured or killed then the directors of Solid Energy would be personally liable for jail time and or fine under the new health and safety laws introduced as a result of Pike River.

Time for this issue to be put to rest imo.

Seal it so people will actually begin the greaving process and to NOT make this sad incident an election issue.

I dont see a story here any more.

Forgive my ignorance - but what would (currently) prevent a motivated family member from putting on a hard hat, a BA and walking as far as they can into the drift?

Fly in by chopper and use C4 to collapse the mine entrance. 

Job done. No need for a road.