Compulsory statistics survey: Would you participate or is it an intrusion?

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#2068529 6-Aug-2018 11:21

MikeAqua:

networkn:

Stats NZ says 40 minutes, even if you double it...

Accounts o the iternet suggest much longer time were experience - but they may be extreme cases

40 minutes is ~50% of my free time on a weekday evening.

And after work and a work-out, my brain is mush so ....

But you are prepared to find time to muck them around so much they give up? How much time and energy does that take?

No-one is debating it's an intrusion, but it's required.

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#2068531 6-Aug-2018 11:25

networkn:

But you are prepared to find time to muck them around so much they give up? How much time and energy does that take?

No-one is debating it's an intrusion, but it's required.

Takes no time at all to advise someone you won't be able to make the appointed time because you are working later than expected, or flight delayed, or gym was busy, or decided to go kayaking on the first calm evening in ages.

Not required. Just legislated.

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#2068534 6-Aug-2018 11:33

I spoke with a close friend who holds a senior position at Statistics and is heavily involved with the IDA and SIA. He advises that the information gathered is secure and access to it is very closely protected. No personally identifiable information is available to other parties.

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#2068541 6-Aug-2018 11:50

MikeB4:

I spoke with a close friend who holds a senior position at Statistics and is heavily involved with the IDA and SIA. He advises that the information gathered is secure and access to it is very closely protected. No personally identifiable information is available to other parties.

I largely believe that. The data is purportedly anonymised early in processing. That can change by an act of parliament. The Stats Act is currently being reviewed.

However it is also made available for research purposes via various databases. This includes private information that is used for social and public health research. While the information is de-linked form individuals, it's still information that was compulsorily collected for one purpose and is being supplied for another, without individual's consent. From a research ethics perspective, that's dodgy.

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#2068542 6-Aug-2018 11:50

MikeB4:

I spoke with a close friend who holds a senior position at Statistics and is heavily involved with the IDA and SIA. He advises that the information gathered is secure and access to it is very closely protected. No personally identifiable information is available to other parties.

My objection to this, and the census, has nothing to do with the time or trouble involved. It is purely and solely about privacy. If the information was acquired anonymously, which can be done, I would have no objection. My only objection is that it is not anonymous. My understanding is that census data is kept forever, and can always be traced back to those providing it. Yes, it is all kept terribly secure and yes, the data is anonymised when released, but it is not anonymised when collected and that is what I object to. I don't care how secure or closely protected it is kept, as long as it is kept at all with my name on it, I object to it. When they stop doing that I will happily participate.

The fact that I feel this way, and express it, is my good right as a citizen. Protest is still allowed in this country and my protest does not break any laws. Lots of people do not agree with lots of laws. The laws can change over time. Telling people who do not like a law that they should go elsewhere is not particularly helpful.

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#2068544 6-Aug-2018 11:56

This information is gathered a a high cost, why? because it is vital in order to provide the services that YOU benefit from. If you doubt that go and have a chat with Dorothy Adams, Brendan Boyle or your local DHB

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#2068592 6-Aug-2018 12:51

MikeB4:

go and have a chat with Dorothy Adams, Brendan Boyle

Good luck to an average citizen getting an appointment with them, lol.

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#2068596 6-Aug-2018 12:52

Rikkitic:

Telling people who do not like a law that they should go elsewhere is not particularly helpful.

No less unhelpful than complaining about something you have no choice over.

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#2068598 6-Aug-2018 12:56

Its good to see our fair land, and whoever happens to be governing, has the support of its people.....

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#2068599 6-Aug-2018 12:57

tdgeek:

Its good to see our fair land, and whoever happens to be governing, has the support of its people.....

Huh?

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#2068602 6-Aug-2018 13:11

networkn:

Rikkitic:

Telling people who do not like a law that they should go elsewhere is not particularly helpful.

No less unhelpful than complaining about something you have no choice over.

Ok, you can have the last word. I don't need it.

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#2068648 6-Aug-2018 13:34

networkn:

tdgeek:

Its good to see our fair land, and whoever happens to be governing, has the support of its people.....

Huh?

Sarcastic the 3 dots

Given that many here don't want to give information to the Govt or are happy to falsify it, or make up stories why they don't have time

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#2068649 6-Aug-2018 13:36

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Rikkitic:

Telling people who do not like a law that they should go elsewhere is not particularly helpful.

No less unhelpful than complaining about something you have no choice over.

Ok, you can have the last word. I don't need it.

Evidence suggests otherwise :)

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#2068664 6-Aug-2018 13:55

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Rikkitic:

Telling people who do not like a law that they should go elsewhere is not particularly helpful.

No less unhelpful than complaining about something you have no choice over.

Ok, you can have the last word. I don't need it.

Interesting.

This data is probably used by you indirectly. It, with other data sets forms the basis for creating electorates and determining the number of seats. It also is of great help to determine DHB funding and a whole host of other government services that most of us use regularly. It also helps determine CPI/wages data values that get applied to benefits and super increases annually. You seem dubious about protection of your privacy as we all do. But at the end of the day this data has been collected for decades and individual privacy has been maintained.

At the end of the day we should be thankful that these data-sets are collected in a highly secure way for our own benefit.

How protective are you about your own privacy?

Do you publish details about yourself in anyway eg aerial pictures of your property or other details online? I for sure do not.

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#2068672 6-Aug-2018 14:02

MikeB4:

I spoke with a close friend who holds a senior position at Statistics and is heavily involved with the IDA and SIA. He advises that the information gathered is secure and access to it is very closely protected. No personally identifiable information is available to other parties.

That is only a little reassuring in that they have an awareness of data security. But, there is no guarantee that they are competent enough to implement proper security .

Every large company and govt agency say they take data security very seriously. But, data hacks still occur all too frequently.

Look at equifax, hackers gain access to over a hundred million american citizens financial records. They said their security was tight, but it wasn't!

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