Will Smith hits Chris Rock over Jada Pinkett Smith joke

Forums › Off topic › Will Smith hits Chris Rock over Jada Pinkett Smith joke

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8

17943 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2894186 30-Mar-2022 12:34

I don’t know how to express how little I care about the antics of these people.

tehgerbil

1102 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Subscriber

#2894299 30-Mar-2022 15:43

Jim Carrey's discussion with Gayle King is quite succinct.

A few key points I feel are worth repeating.

• It cheapened the event overall.

• Denouncing Will Smith receiving a standing ovation just minutes after he assaulted someone.

• It overshadowed the many accomplishments from other actors (such as Samuel Jackson got his first Oscar!!)

logo

646 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

#2894318 30-Mar-2022 16:28

tehgerbil:

• It overshadowed the many accomplishments from other actors (such as Samuel Jackson got his first Oscar!!)

Really? Didn't hear about that (exactly Jim Carrey's point).

Handle9

11388 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2894346 30-Mar-2022 17:10

logo:
tehgerbil:

• It overshadowed the many accomplishments from other actors (such as Samuel Jackson got his first Oscar!!)

Really? Didn't hear about that (exactly Jim Carrey's point).

It wasn’t a “real” Oscar. It was a lifetime achievement award so would have received minimal coverage anyway.

Kookoo

787 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

#2894746 31-Mar-2022 13:32

Unpopular opinion. Let's do hypotheticals.

Back in 2016 during the presidential campaign Trump mocked a disabled reporter. Cue the outrage. Now imagine if that reporter's spouse was in audience on the day, walked up on stage (never mind the Secret Service agents etc.) and slapped him. Somehow I don't think anyone who's currently all up in arms about Smith's behaviour would've had that much of an issue with what I've just described.

What's the difference then? It's fine to mock one medical condition, but not another? Or is it fine to mock a movie star who has a medical condition, but not a TV reporter? Or is it that it's fine for Chris Rock to mock someone afflicted by a medical condition, but not for Donald Trump?

Hello, Ground!

networkn

Networkn
32351 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2894755 31-Mar-2022 13:50

Difference? One person was doing their job?

I believe Intent would play a part.

Seems the Guild are looking at this pretty seriously.

Mahon

473 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2894832 31-Mar-2022 15:42

networkn:

Difference? One person was doing their job?

I believe Intent would play a part.

Seems the Guild are looking at this pretty seriously.

Lets hope so. It was truly disgusting. Cant help wondering what kind of lives the Smiths live, especially with all their 100's of millions $$$. I did see he was actually asked to leave the building immediately after the incident but refused.

Tradepub

Free professional, reference and technical white papers (affiliate link).

Kookoo

787 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

#2894922 31-Mar-2022 18:55

networkn:
Difference? One person was doing their job?

I believe Intent would play a part.

Seems the Guild are looking at this pretty seriously.

Ok, I'll byte. So it's Chris Rock's job to mock someone's medical condition? Interesting.

This is where the comparison to Ricky Gervais comes to mind. Gervais mocked the celebs mercilessly, but unlike Rock he was funny and he always had a point. He achieved that by sticking to the basic rules. You can mock someone's career, you can mock someone's life choices, you can mock someones vices or lifestyle, you can mock Hollywood culture as a whole. What you don't do is mock an individual's medical condition.

Even when Gervais went close to the line - he had a point. When he said the best special effects award should go to whoever produced the poster for "Sex and the City 2" following it up with "girls, we know how old you are" - he wasn't mocking their age but their choice to flog the "Sex and the City" horse and Hollywood's obsession with youthful looks. That's nuanced comedy which a punch in the gut message.

What was Chris Rock's message? Haha, you are suffering from autoimmune disease and are losing your hair? Why not finish the ceremony with an even better one? "Liza, I love you, but that wheelchair ain't good for your singing! You gotta stand up girl, that's how people will hear your voice! Haha!"

Hello, Ground!

Handle9

11388 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2894926 31-Mar-2022 19:18

Kookoo:
Unpopular opinion. Let's do hypotheticals.

Back in 2016 during the presidential campaign Trump mocked a disabled reporter. Cue the outrage. Now imagine if that reporter's spouse was in audience on the day, walked up on stage (never mind the Secret Service agents etc.) and slapped him. Somehow I don't think anyone who's currently all up in arms about Smith's behaviour would've had that much of an issue with what I've just described.

What's the difference then? It's fine to mock one medical condition, but not another? Or is it fine to mock a movie star who has a medical condition, but not a TV reporter? Or is it that it's fine for Chris Rock to mock someone afflicted by a medical condition, but not for Donald Trump?

Hypotheticals are largely dumb strawmen. If you can’t tell the difference then that says more about you than the people involved.

Mahon

473 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2894944 31-Mar-2022 19:49

Chris Rock has said publicly that he was not aware she had a medical condition. Its not uncommon for shaved heads these days without jumping to a conclusion of a medical condition. Afterall she was a Batman villan!!!

Batman

Mad Scientist
29762 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2894961 31-Mar-2022 20:51

wait ... there's a villain i have not fought?

Paul1977

5043 posts

Uber Geek

#2895398 1-Apr-2022 15:14

It seems to me that the people who are defending Smith's behaviour are missing the point entirely.

Even if you believe Rock's joke was inappropriate, in bad taste, and was intended as malicious; Smith's response was even more inappropriate.

"If someone says something offensive to you, the appropriate first response is to physically assault them". It amazes be me that anyone can defend such a position with a straight face.

Paul1977

5043 posts

Uber Geek

#2895404 1-Apr-2022 15:25

Kookoo:

Unpopular opinion. Let's do hypotheticals.

Back in 2016 during the presidential campaign Trump mocked a disabled reporter. Cue the outrage. Now imagine if that reporter's spouse was in audience on the day, walked up on stage (never mind the Secret Service agents etc.) and slapped him. Somehow I don't think anyone who's currently all up in arms about Smith's behaviour would've had that much of an issue with what I've just described.

What's the difference then? It's fine to mock one medical condition, but not another? Or is it fine to mock a movie star who has a medical condition, but not a TV reporter? Or is it that it's fine for Chris Rock to mock someone afflicted by a medical condition, but not for Donald Trump?

Forget hypotheticals, let's look at real examples.

Back in 2016 during the presidential campaign Trump was mocked continually about the comb-over hairstyle he chooses to wear as part of dealing with his male pattern baldness (androgenic alopecia). Somehow I don't think anyone who's currently all up in arms about Rock's joke would've had that much of an issue with what I've just described.