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#2975651 30-Sep-2022 19:28

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tdgeek: Russian scientists discussing their research, including the Maunder Minimum (about 25 mins) based on Solar activity and solar magnetism. There was another minimum 1997-2012, and a prediction that 2025 we would be in a global cooling period.

I have not watched yet but I can tell you the maunder minimum thing is warmed over and served in a different form every few years. Short story - it makes little real difference. For the long story ask NASA:

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-climate/2953/there-is-no-impending-mini-ice-age/

The solar activity graph does seem to support the doco I watched. NASA does say that there will be no mini ice age as FF is 6X the effect of a solar minimum, which the doco also agreed with.

Plus the Maunder Minimum was also exacerbated by volcanic activity and its cooling effect.

Onto hurricanes which is the current news. They are natural. They have actually decreased in recent years due to La Nina. That causes more in the Pacific and less in the Atlantic. But a net decrease. There is more heat in the Atlantic, and its more evenly spread, so a hurricane can move more slowly, grow larger and dump more damage as its remaining in place longer. That is not going to improve. Assuming El Nino is the exact reverse, then perhaps the Pacific will have larger events while the Atlantic may see more "normal" events.

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#2983507 16-Oct-2022 19:58

I didn't realize the chariity Pantagonia created was 501(c)(4)

From good to evil, in US tax code

501(c)(3) -- no politics OK
501(c)(4) -- slippery slope
PAC -- bad
SuperPAC -- world eater

See Differences Between a PAC and a 501(c)(4) Social Welfare Organization

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#2988531 27-Oct-2022 07:00

by talking about deforestation. 10 million hectares forests destroyed every year since before you were born

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03372-6

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/24/global-deforestation-pledge-destruction-forests

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#2988679 27-Oct-2022 12:48

Thunderfoot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5UugtV06qw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqht2bIQXIY

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#2992711 7-Nov-2022 07:04

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/130366634/cop27-the-government-tells-the-world-no-more-oil-and-gas-is-needed--but-it-cant-stop-letting-companies-dig

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#2992725 7-Nov-2022 08:22

This parody is very funny as usual.

I looked up Woodside;

"Woodside Energy Group Ltd is an Australian petroleum exploration and production company. Woodside is the operator of oil and gas production in Australia and also Australia's largest independent dedicated oil and gas company."

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#2992732 7-Nov-2022 08:36

kingdragonfly: This parody is very funny as usual.

I looked up Woodside;

"Woodside Energy Group Ltd is an Australian petroleum exploration and production company. Woodside is the operator of oil and gas production in Australia and also Australia's largest independent dedicated oil and gas company."

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thejuicemedia

The Western Australien sic Government has made a tourism ad, and it’s surprisingly honest and informative

I got gifted some BHP shares a long time ago - this ended up with me owning some woodside - didn't realise just how evil they are.

Hmmmm......moral quandary now.

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#2993328 8-Nov-2022 07:21

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/07/world/billionaires-greenhouse-gases-climate-intl/index.html

Billionaires emit a million times more greenhouse gases than the average person, study finds

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#2993346 8-Nov-2022 09:07

Batman:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/07/world/billionaires-greenhouse-gases-climate-intl/index.html

Billionaires emit a million times more greenhouse gases than the average person, study finds

Its a pretty bogus study, even for oxfam..

Its premise is that each billionaire is responsible for all the emission of the companies they own, and given a big chunk of the global billionaires in their list are in very carbon intensive industries (cement production, iron steel smelting, oil extraction) its a bit of a no brainer that they are going to come out having a much larger carbon foot print than the average person putting the kettle on each night...

Their dataset is here

https://webassets.oxfamamerica.org/media/documents/Dataset_for_carbon_billionaires_investment_emissions_2022.xlsx

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#2993442 8-Nov-2022 11:23

wellygary:

Batman:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/07/world/billionaires-greenhouse-gases-climate-intl/index.html

Billionaires emit a million times more greenhouse gases than the average person, study finds

Its a pretty bogus study, even for oxfam..

Its premise is that each billionaire is responsible for all the emission of the companies they own,

If a company's owner isn't responsible for the company's emissions, then who is?

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#2993449 8-Nov-2022 11:35

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If a company's owner isn't responsible for the company's emissions, then who is?

IMO, the users of those products.

For example, passengers, not Air New Zealand

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#2993463 8-Nov-2022 12:28

However, the customers have no way of knowing exactly what the emissions are, and even if they went out of their way to find out, have no way (apart from buying shares to become part-owners) of changing what the company does.

If the owner is responsible, he can pass on the costs to the users.

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#2993496 8-Nov-2022 14:14

frankv:

However, the customers have no way of knowing exactly what the emissions are, and even if they went out of their way to find out, have no way (apart from buying shares to become part-owners) of changing what the company does.

So the people gluing their hands to masterpieces are just doing it for kicks :) ??

The entire point of Capitalist-activism is that consumer behaviour/demand drives change....

Are companies moving from ICE to EV because they want to ?, or is it to make money from consumers who are demanding EV products.....

The whole world is talking about "your carbon footprint" which includes products *you* buy...

If the owner of the car and oil companies are responsible... then transport emissions are their problem for mine....

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#2993511 8-Nov-2022 15:01

tdgeek:

frankv:

If a company's owner isn't responsible for the company's emissions, then who is?

IMO, the users of those products.

For example, passengers, not Air New Zealand

Consumer pays for emissions, not producer? That would fair and also be good for NZ farmers, as our products are lower emission that those of competing nations. The problem is, getting those other nations to charge for emissions based on source. In other words, a UK supermarket charging more for emissions on UK butter than NZ butter. Great idea, but probably in the too hard basket to implement.

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#2993698 9-Nov-2022 07:55

johno1234:

Consumer pays for emissions, not producer? That would fair and also be good for NZ farmers, as our products are lower emission that those of competing nations. The problem is, getting those other nations to charge for emissions based on source. In other words, a UK supermarket charging more for emissions on UK butter than NZ butter. Great idea, but probably in the too hard basket to implement.

Producers, 100%, you make the mess, you clean the mess.

That then gets passed down to consumers anyway , but dirty producers find their products more expensive than clean ones, so consumers who are price conscious buy the cheaper option. This provides incentive for producers to change.At the consumer end to make life easy it will just be a flat fee, clean and dirty producers get treated the same.

For overseas you simply apply a "global rule" about green energy compliance requirements, that all nations including NZ need to comply with. For example we should not accept Chinese steel until it has passed (at their expense) NZ testing and validation of random samples, if it fails we either keep it and send it to glenbrrok to be recycled, or they pick it up and ship it back home.

Its not a trade barrier as such, its no different from US products being sold here marked in metric.

The UK did this (sort of) with NZ lamb, upped the health standards for imported products, ie pile on expense onto NZ if we want to sell lamb to the UK, making our products more expensive thus making UK product competitive, UK sources did not have to comply.

Put greenhouse tax on oil imports, plastic imports, etc

Add on the full cost of proper Recyling onto all products, if its repairable, upgradeable, recyclable the you pay less tax. When it dies then the Recyling is already paid for, done here in NZ.

Add on Printed "life expectancies" to part of sale conditions, ie cellphones have 5 year warranty.

Lets stop the "fashion", and throw away item industry.

Make commercial fines a percentage of global turn over, so big corporations get hurt as much as small businesses .

Make overseas businesses pay a huge "bond" , so if they walk away they have still paid for the clean u, ie Tiwai point, etc.

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