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Topic # 189083 16-Dec-2015 13:32
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Bloody stupid, The new mail order procedure makes it mandatory for firearms to be delivered to the address on the firearms licence holders record. No longer can we have guns delivered to ourselves at work.
So now we either need to take the day off work or find the card in the mailbox and go and collect the gun from the Depot (when it's open)

The funny thing is this only applies to standard A-cat rifles and shotguns. MSSAs and pistols can still be delivered to wherever the owner happens to be.

Thanks HDPA. and Thanks Police National HQ for another kneejerk reaction.




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  Reply # 1451564 16-Dec-2015 13:37
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I hope she actually gets prosecuted for what she did.

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  Reply # 1451578 16-Dec-2015 13:47
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Aww, poor gun owners. /s



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  Reply # 1451582 16-Dec-2015 13:55
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JamesL: Aww, poor gun owners. /s


Why would you say that? What have gun owners done wrong? If you don't like guns that's your business, but I'm just pointing out the stupidity of the new Police policy.




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  Reply # 1451586 16-Dec-2015 13:57
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mdooher: Bloody stupid, The new mail order procedure makes it mandatory for firearms to be delivered to the address on the firearms licence holders record. No longer can we have guns delivered to ourselves at work.
So now we either need to take the day off work or find the card in the mailbox and go and collect the gun from the Depot (when it's open)

The funny thing is this only applies to standard A-cat rifles and shotguns. MSSAs and pistols can still be delivered to wherever the owner happens to be.

Thanks HDPA. and Thanks Police National HQ for another kneejerk reaction.


HOW MANY GUNS do you buy that make this an issue?!?

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 1451588 16-Dec-2015 13:59
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A good start. Needs to tighten up more, still, though.








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  Reply # 1451592 16-Dec-2015 14:03
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mdooher: Bloody stupid, The new mail order procedure makes it mandatory for firearms to be delivered to the address on the firearms licence holders record. No longer can we have guns delivered to ourselves at work.
So now we either need to take the day off work or find the card in the mailbox and go and collect the gun from the Depot (when it's open)

The funny thing is this only applies to standard A-cat rifles and shotguns. MSSAs and pistols can still be delivered to wherever the owner happens to be.

Thanks HDPA. and Thanks Police National HQ for another kneejerk reaction.


HOW MANY GUNS do you buy that make this an issue?!?

Cheers - N


The point I'm making is, Why do this? If the Police are happy for a person to have their pistol delivered to work why not their shotgun?




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  Reply # 1451594 16-Dec-2015 14:05
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mdooher:
Talkiet:
mdooher: Bloody stupid, The new mail order procedure makes it mandatory for firearms to be delivered to the address on the firearms licence holders record. No longer can we have guns delivered to ourselves at work.
So now we either need to take the day off work or find the card in the mailbox and go and collect the gun from the Depot (when it's open)

The funny thing is this only applies to standard A-cat rifles and shotguns. MSSAs and pistols can still be delivered to wherever the owner happens to be.

Thanks HDPA. and Thanks Police National HQ for another kneejerk reaction.


HOW MANY GUNS do you buy that make this an issue?!?

Cheers - N


The point I'm making is, Why do this? If the Police are happy for a person to have their pistol delivered to work why not their shotgun?


Fair point, it should definitely be extended to all firearms (and in fact, all licensed weapons)... 

Cheers - N




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  Reply # 1451600 16-Dec-2015 14:14
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mdooher:
Talkiet:
mdooher: Bloody stupid, The new mail order procedure makes it mandatory for firearms to be delivered to the address on the firearms licence holders record. No longer can we have guns delivered to ourselves at work.
So now we either need to take the day off work or find the card in the mailbox and go and collect the gun from the Depot (when it's open)

The funny thing is this only applies to standard A-cat rifles and shotguns. MSSAs and pistols can still be delivered to wherever the owner happens to be.

Thanks HDPA. and Thanks Police National HQ for another kneejerk reaction.


HOW MANY GUNS do you buy that make this an issue?!?

Cheers - N


The point I'm making is, Why do this? If the Police are happy for a person to have their pistol delivered to work why not their shotgun?


Fair point, it should definitely be extended to all firearms (and in fact, all licensed weapons)... 

Cheers - N


Why? the licence holder is legally allowed to possess it for a sufficient purpose...like receiving it from the courier. So why should they have an extra condition imposed? particularly one that doesn't make it any more likely that the gun will not be stolen.




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mdooher: [snip]

Why? the licence holder is legally allowed to possess it for a sufficient purpose...like receiving it from the courier. So why should they have an extra condition imposed? particularly one that doesn't make it any more likely that the gun will not be stolen.


Part of obtaining a firearms license is a site visit to ensure that secure storage at the address of the holder is suitable. I would guess that most work addresses have not been inspected in this fashion.

http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms/standard-new-zealand-firearms-licence

"Firearms storage

 

You will need to show that firearms will be stored in the manner set out in the Arms Regulations - if you can't, you may not get a licence or your current one will be revoked. All licence holders must install security at their home, even if they don't actually have any firearms. Security requirements are particularly strict for dealers and for licence holders who possess pistols, restricted weapons or MSSAs.

 

  • You must never put a firearm where a child could reach it.
  • You must store firearms and ammunition separately or disable the firearms, or both.
  • You must keep your firearms unloaded and locked away in a rack, stout cabinet, steel cabinet or strongroom."
There are probably lots of other good reasons, but I would guess that's one.

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 1451603 16-Dec-2015 14:26
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Actually, after posting that, a few seconds googling suggests my thought above is at least partly related... From the Mail order sales guide on the Police website...

http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/guide-for-applicants-for-mail-order-sales-plus-form.pdf

"Verify your delivery address – if the address is different on the form in comparison to your firearms licence record, the form will not be completed until Police has carried out the appropriate residential security checks."

Perhaps the new rule simplifies that step, or recognises that it was never properly enforced and so changed the rule to something enforcable?

Cheers - N



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  Reply # 1451604 16-Dec-2015 14:27
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mdooher: [snip]

Why? the licence holder is legally allowed to possess it for a sufficient purpose...like receiving it from the courier. So why should they have an extra condition imposed? particularly one that doesn't make it any more likely that the gun will not be stolen.


Part of obtaining a firearms license is a site visit to ensure that secure storage at the address of the holder is suitable. I would guess that most work addresses have not been inspected in this fashion.

http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms/standard-new-zealand-firearms-licence

"Firearms storage You will need to show that firearms will be stored in the manner set out in the Arms Regulations - if you can't, you may not get a licence or your current one will be revoked. All licence holders must install security at their home, even if they don't actually have any firearms. Security requirements are particularly strict for dealers and for licence holders who possess pistols, restricted weapons or MSSAs.

 

  • You must never put a firearm where a child could reach it.
  • You must store firearms and ammunition separately or disable the firearms, or both.
  • You must keep your firearms unloaded and locked away in a rack, stout cabinet, steel cabinet or strongroom."
There are probably lots of other good reasons, but I would guess that's one.

Cheers - N


Case by case would be more acceptable, You don't have to store it securely if you are with it. In my example I have my own office. When such an item arrives I keep it with me until I can take it home or to a preapproved storage facility. This may not be possible if you work in a factory or are a bank teller tongue-out




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  Reply # 1451605 16-Dec-2015 14:27
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mdooher: 
Why? the licence holder is legally allowed to possess it for a sufficient purpose...like receiving it from the courier. So why should they have an extra condition imposed? particularly one that doesn't make it any more likely that the gun will not be stolen.


Because being able to order and ship a firearm to an unverified address unrelated to the firearm license holder whom the firearm is being theoretically purchased as is ridiculously exploitable.




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  Reply # 1451610 16-Dec-2015 14:30
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JamesL: Aww, poor gun owners. /s




Agree, would rather have no mail order at all and purchasers have to buy in store. Unless you are a hunter, farmer doing pest control or a target shooter you don't have any need for a gun. 





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  Reply # 1451612 16-Dec-2015 14:31
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mdooher: 
Why? the licence holder is legally allowed to possess it for a sufficient purpose...like receiving it from the courier. So why should they have an extra condition imposed? particularly one that doesn't make it any more likely that the gun will not be stolen.


Because being able to order and ship a firearm to an unverified address unrelated to the firearm license holder whom the firearm is being theoretically purchased as is ridiculously exploitable.


Um no, the Police state the package must be given personally to firearms licence holder by the courier. If dodgy couriers are doing something else then they can be charged with all manner of offences.




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mdooher:
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mdooher: [snip]

Why? the licence holder is legally allowed to possess it for a sufficient purpose...like receiving it from the courier. So why should they have an extra condition imposed? particularly one that doesn't make it any more likely that the gun will not be stolen.


Part of obtaining a firearms license is a site visit to ensure that secure storage at the address of the holder is suitable. I would guess that most work addresses have not been inspected in this fashion.

http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms/standard-new-zealand-firearms-licence

"Firearms storage You will need to show that firearms will be stored in the manner set out in the Arms Regulations - if you can't, you may not get a licence or your current one will be revoked. All licence holders must install security at their home, even if they don't actually have any firearms. Security requirements are particularly strict for dealers and for licence holders who possess pistols, restricted weapons or MSSAs.

 

  • You must never put a firearm where a child could reach it.
  • You must store firearms and ammunition separately or disable the firearms, or both.
  • You must keep your firearms unloaded and locked away in a rack, stout cabinet, steel cabinet or strongroom."
There are probably lots of other good reasons, but I would guess that's one.

Cheers - N


Case by case would be more acceptable, You don't have to store it securely if you are with it. In my example I have my own office. When such an item arrives I keep it with me until I can take it home or to a preapproved storage facility. This may not be possible if you work in a factory or are a bank teller tongue-out


And what happens if the fire alarm goes off or your go to the toilet, do you take it with you? I wouldn't have thought so and then its not with you which means its not following the rules. 

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