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Topic # 242131 12-Oct-2018 13:42
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I was just reading this and I cannot help but think that 8 years is nothing for the crime that was committed. 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107797540/girl-7-forced-to-watch-as-home-invader-repeatedly-rapes-mother

 

 

 

I could care less if the guy was on drugs (though it does not say) this to me is a totally unacceptable sentence. So if no non parole period is imposed he could be eligible to get out after 3 years ??

 

 

 

What should it be , Look I don't know but the time sentenced seems nothing compared to the crime committed. 15 - 25 years non parole should seem like it IMO.

 

 

 

Just stirs up a lot emotion on how lax our justice system is.

 

 

 

Edit : Sorry I thought I had this in the politics section, could somebody move it if required please.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 2106768 12-Oct-2018 13:48
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"He was appearing in court on charges of rape, abduction for sex, injuring with intent to injure, threatening to kill, sexual violation, attempted kidnapping, burglary and assault on a child." "This is as bad as it gets in any description," said Judge Louis Bidois, adding that Mekuli had "totally destroyed" the life of his victim through his actions on the morning of Saturday, April 7."

 

And the sentence is only 8 years unbelievable





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  Reply # 2106770 12-Oct-2018 13:49
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Even worse us as the tax payer need to pay to keep this A** hole in jail nice and warm 3 meals a day

 

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  Reply # 2106771 12-Oct-2018 13:54
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The current government wants to reduce the prison population. Can't see them making any law changes that would result in longer sentences.





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  Reply # 2106774 12-Oct-2018 13:58
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It's not often that I think the US has it right, but in some states, I recall seeing sentences of well over the natural life of the criminal being handed down - I recall one individual who had back-to-back sentences of around 995 years with a minimum non-parole period of 200 years.

 

 

 

That actually feels about right in this case...but without affording this scumbag the human rights he will believe he is entitled to.

 

 

 

A desert-based Supermax would also feel right for these kinds of criminals. But what would I know - I'm not a soft-hearted civil libertarian...





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  Reply # 2106776 12-Oct-2018 14:04
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For someone who behaves like this, can we categorize them as humans and apply human rights laws to them? He should get a lash for every minute of time the act took place and work menial labour to pay his time in prison.


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  Reply # 2106780 12-Oct-2018 14:18
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In a democracy, the penalties handed out should be in the hands of the people, as to what people think is a reasonable sentence for a crime. Whether this means we need a referendum to do a reset on the penalties so they are consistent and standard for the types of crime carried out?  It seems governments want good numbers, as the less people in prison, the better the stats can look, and potentially the less the cost to the government. But home detention is like a holiday for some, especially if they live in a nice house,and many regular people who haven't committed a crime are housebound... 


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  Reply # 2106782 12-Oct-2018 14:21
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Mspec:

 

I could care less if the guy was on drugs (though it does not say)

 

 

I actually could care - and the article actually does say:

 

"As the court heard, he had been smoking methamphetamine for about two days prior to the incident."

 

Note that's not saying "had smoked" about two days before, but had been ...

 

I'd like to know what was going on - what the circumstances could have been - whereby an apparently intellectually challenged and emotionally disturbed adolescent was  *for profit* sold enough methamphetamine to blow his mind for two days. Whoever was dumb enough to do that bears responsibility as well, and if that's not stopped, it's only going to happen again.

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 2106787 12-Oct-2018 14:33
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Mspec:

 

I could care less if the guy was on drugs (though it does not say)

 

 

I actually could care - and the article actually does say:

 

"As the court heard, he had been smoking methamphetamine for about two days prior to the incident."

 

Note that's not saying "had smoked" about two days before, but had been ...

 

I'd like to know what was going on - what the circumstances could have been - whereby an apparently intellectually challenged and emotionally disturbed adolescent was  *for profit* sold enough methamphetamine to blow his mind for two days. Whoever was dumb enough to do that bears responsibility as well, and if that's not stopped, it's only going to happen again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry I did not see that and my comment was supposed to mean that I did not care if he was on drugs in regards to the sentence. Could not agree more that the supplier of the drugs should be held culpable as well. 





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  Reply # 2106794 12-Oct-2018 14:39
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Perhaps we need to review the sentence length for murder before reviewing rape sentences? The relationship to rape is that the sentence for rape must always be less than murder, otherwise all rape cases will turn into murder cases as the criminal has nothing to loose and something to gain.


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  Reply # 2106797 12-Oct-2018 14:41
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public hangings are the only way to fix criminals like that.....

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2106811 12-Oct-2018 15:06
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Mspec:

 

Sorry I did not see that and my comment was supposed to mean that I did not care if he was on drugs in regards to the sentence. Could not agree more that the supplier of the drugs should be held culpable as well. 

 

 

NZ Herald is also running the story, in that article they mention that he was 16 at the time, and that he'd "endured a tough upbringing which involved domestic violence and drug use."  There's a photo (presumably taken from social media) with the offender posing - giving a gang sign.  Gangs are of course the distribution network for methamphetamine.

 

I'd be surprised if a young man with the history, poor emotional and cognitive state as described actually didn't do something horrific when on a 2-day methamphetamine bender.

 

 


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Sounddude:

 

public hangings are the only way to fix criminals like that.....

 

 

@sounddude I wonder how many too gooders you just offended but yes bring back the public hanging for crap like this person

 

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Linux:

 

Even worse us as the tax payer need to pay to keep this A** hole in jail nice and warm 3 meals a day

 

John 

 

At $110,000 per prisoner per year, these "nasties" should be deeply micro chipped and dropped on a very isolated island in the middle of the pacific and left to fend for them selves.

 

OK - got that off my chest.

 

Māori & Pacifica make up over 50% of the prison population. Does rehab work ? In some countries yes (Norway) We have huge cultural & social problems with these cultures and to fix this will require a huge cultural & societal shift.

 

But how do we achieve this ? Where do we start ? We start in the schools during a child's/young adults formative years with well paid and supported teachers and well funded support services, then they pass that on to their child from the cradle onwards. At the same time we as a society in general strongly emphasise; trust, honor, friendship & love, even to those in prison for the most heinous crimes.

 

To utopian, maybe, but we have to do something as crime rates are climbing. Lengthier sentences maybe, higher financial penalties certainly, better rehab services certainly and yes we should revisit the question of capital punishment.





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  Reply # 2106818 12-Oct-2018 15:20
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Linux:

 

Sounddude:

 

public hangings are the only way to fix criminals like that.....

 

 

@sounddude I wonder how many too gooders you just offended but yes bring back the public hanging for crap like this person

 

John

 

 

The death sentence has not stopped murder in counties that still have it. A death sentence in cases like this could well result in more murders. If the sentence for these offences is the same as for murder then the offender in their minds may feel they have nothing lose and may murder their victims to reduce the chances of being caught. 





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  Reply # 2106820 12-Oct-2018 15:29
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FineWine:

 

To utopian, maybe, but we have to do something as crime rates are climbing

 

 

I don't think that's correct - WRT serious crime.

 

If you use homicide as a proxy - then the homicide rate is about half what it was at peak in the 1980s, and has been fairly steadily decreasing since.

 

Incidence per 100,000 population, 24 in 1986, 11 in 2017.

 

Used this as a proxy as murders seldom go unreported, as rapes, burglaries, assaults and other crimes may.

 

I believe however that burglary, robbery, and assaults seem to be increasing.  I'd wager that methamphetamine will be behind a lot of that too.  We (NZ) has a problem, a ticking time bomb, especially as I hear that meth use is becoming more common with younger kids.


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