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Master Geek

#1073688 24-Jun-2014 20:18

Pitty there are no houses for sale or rent there, last one in the township sold in eight days... don't want to sell this one built it and spent a lot of my time on it, structured cabling, 52m2 deck etc more than bricks and mortar...

Tim

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#1073767 24-Jun-2014 22:13

Mosgiel too far, I guess?

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#1073770 24-Jun-2014 22:17

quickymart: Mosgiel too far, I guess?

It has Fibre. nothing is too far!

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#1073823 25-Jun-2014 00:32

sbiddle:

Rather than simply signing petitions you need people to get serious about committing to a solution. The big problem is the minute you tell them it'll cost more than their current broadband they're not going to interested. The community is the solution to your issue, not sending letters to a telco. There are many communities in similar situations, and ultimately wireless RBI is the broadband solution for these people. Chorus can't afford to invest in these loss making areas with the financial troubles they are facing due to the campaign against them.

As Sbiddle said, the solution is in the community.

There was a guy sick of the lack of any ADSL in Laingholm a few years back and he started up his own wireless company, just for that area. His prices were really competative. I have a feeling it's gone now.

https://koordinates.com/layer/4043-bush-wireless/

He wasn't using overly expensive gear. Put me onto these guys in Chch http://www.gowifi.co.nz/. When I last talked to him, his biggest challenge was getting realestate to put the gear up on - once again, a solution that the community can provide, if it is willing.

I'm unfamiliar with the topology in your area, but can you and your friend with the fiber connection both see a hill or structure owned by a friendly/geeky/internet staved farmer? Your solution could be as simple as four of these (http://www.gowifi.co.nz/clearance-sale-items/ubiquiti-nanobridge-m2-802.11n/b/g-300mw-18dbi-outdoor-ap/bridg.html ), a screw driver and a bunch of Cat6.

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#1073824 25-Jun-2014 00:41

tripper1000:
sbiddle:

Rather than simply signing petitions you need people to get serious about committing to a solution. The big problem is the minute you tell them it'll cost more than their current broadband they're not going to interested. The community is the solution to your issue, not sending letters to a telco. There are many communities in similar situations, and ultimately wireless RBI is the broadband solution for these people. Chorus can't afford to invest in these loss making areas with the financial troubles they are facing due to the campaign against them.

As Sbiddle said, the solution is in the community.

There was a guy sick of the lack of any ADSL in Laingholm a few years back and he started up his own wireless company, just for that area. His prices were really competative. I have a feeling it's gone now.

https://koordinates.com/layer/4043-bush-wireless/

He wasn't using overly expensive gear. Put me onto these guys in Chch http://www.gowifi.co.nz/. When I last talked to him, his biggest challenge was getting realestate to put the gear up on - once again, a solution that the community can provide, if it is willing.

We are still left with the problem Tim doesnt want to spend anything extra and is kind of sitting in the group of. "I expect everything to happen because it should"
Dont blame him if the rest of the community dont have any contribution. Really its a lost cause. He is covered by Wireless RBI. Chorus wont touch the exchange at all!

There is probably a wisp in the area too.
This thread has said this 10 times from me, SBiddle and others.
Pointless to the nth degree.

Send me this petition, Ill sign it. What ever anyway, My input has run out here.

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#1073838 25-Jun-2014 06:21

tripper1000:
sbiddle:

Rather than simply signing petitions you need people to get serious about committing to a solution. The big problem is the minute you tell them it'll cost more than their current broadband they're not going to interested. The community is the solution to your issue, not sending letters to a telco. There are many communities in similar situations, and ultimately wireless RBI is the broadband solution for these people. Chorus can't afford to invest in these loss making areas with the financial troubles they are facing due to the campaign against them.

As Sbiddle said, the solution is in the community.

There was a guy sick of the lack of any ADSL in Laingholm a few years back and he started up his own wireless company, just for that area. His prices were really competative. I have a feeling it's gone now.

https://koordinates.com/layer/4043-bush-wireless/

He wasn't using overly expensive gear. Put me onto these guys in Chch http://www.gowifi.co.nz/. When I last talked to him, his biggest challenge was getting realestate to put the gear up on - once again, a solution that the community can provide, if it is willing.

I'm unfamiliar with the topology in your area, but can you and your friend with the fiber connection both see a hill or structure owned by a friendly/geeky/internet staved farmer? Your solution could be as simple as four of these (http://www.gowifi.co.nz/clearance-sale-items/ubiquiti-nanobridge-m2-802.11n/b/g-300mw-18dbi-outdoor-ap/bridg.html ), a screw driver and a bunch of Cat6.

Now that's wireless coverage. The topography around Outram is all flat (it is on the Taieri Plains, after all) so if your friend could achieve coverage like that, Tim could do really well in his local area, maybe even almost down to Balclutha. There must be dozens of local farmers in the area who would be grateful for a decent internet signal like that.

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#1073935 25-Jun-2014 09:06

quickymart:
tripper1000:
sbiddle:

Rather than simply signing petitions you need people to get serious about committing to a solution. The big problem is the minute you tell them it'll cost more than their current broadband they're not going to interested. The community is the solution to your issue, not sending letters to a telco. There are many communities in similar situations, and ultimately wireless RBI is the broadband solution for these people. Chorus can't afford to invest in these loss making areas with the financial troubles they are facing due to the campaign against them.

As Sbiddle said, the solution is in the community.

There was a guy sick of the lack of any ADSL in Laingholm a few years back and he started up his own wireless company, just for that area. His prices were really competative. I have a feeling it's gone now.

https://koordinates.com/layer/4043-bush-wireless/

He wasn't using overly expensive gear. Put me onto these guys in Chch http://www.gowifi.co.nz/. When I last talked to him, his biggest challenge was getting realestate to put the gear up on - once again, a solution that the community can provide, if it is willing.

I'm unfamiliar with the topology in your area, but can you and your friend with the fiber connection both see a hill or structure owned by a friendly/geeky/internet staved farmer? Your solution could be as simple as four of these (http://www.gowifi.co.nz/clearance-sale-items/ubiquiti-nanobridge-m2-802.11n/b/g-300mw-18dbi-outdoor-ap/bridg.html ), a screw driver and a bunch of Cat6.

Now that's wireless coverage. The topography around Outram is all flat (it is on the Taieri Plains, after all) so if your friend could achieve coverage like that, Tim could do really well in his local area, maybe even almost down to Balclutha. There must be dozens of local farmers in the area who would be grateful for a decent internet signal like that.

There's four wireless ISPs operating already "maybe almost down to Balclutha" in the Clutha/Taieri area including my company Rivernet and I'd like to think that between the four of us we cover a large % of the farming community. However, transmitting into a town like Outram is a difficult business proposition. Although the OP is disssatisified with his DSL service and has a number of locals agreeing with him, when the time comes to connect to a wireless access point belonging to a WISP, suddenly these town dwelling people vanish. (not saying you will Tim)

Generally people are reluctant to change, particularly from DSL to wireless. WISPs usually don't have the size of business that can do free installations or supply free wireless routers like the big players and unlimited data caps at high speed? Forget that.

Despite the number eight wire approach advocated above, building commercial APs in that manner is a disaster but is usually not seen as such until bad weather strikes or something goes wrong. A well built AP should cost thousands. There's no getting away from the fact radios and antenna plant are the cheapest part of an AP. Have you seen the price for 400-500AH worth of battery capacity and solar or mains charging plant lately plus associated civil and building works?

If the OP can connect to someone with a UFB or a decent DSL connection by unlicensed radio then I think that is a very viable proposition for him to consider. Selling to others though is a different story altogether.

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#1073996 25-Jun-2014 10:14

Thank God they didn't put my ugly mug shot in there... reads like I was angry that day...

Otago Daily Times

@tripper1000
And there is one of the reasons community involvement in infrastructure should be avoided or last resort, it needs the community to commit to ongoing maintenance and future upgrades just like a body corporate, how many of them are there that argue and bicker... If the guy who had the drive to set up the system and manage it moves out or becomes unable to keep the system maintained what happens who becomes responcible.

I have actually stated I would pay more money in this thread before but only for a better service and the same centiment from other community members, I've had some discussions with a local WISP as well...

Tim

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#1074004 25-Jun-2014 10:23

Sadface. What a ridiculously one sided article.

This all comes down to wanting someone else to lose money upgrading the BB in Outram for you.

I find it a little ironic (hypocritical perhaps?) that one of the cards being played is to help small businesses in Outram, yet generally you're unwilling to support the smaller WISP(s?) that could actually improve your speed dramatically.

I find it unbelievable that you have current BB (slow at peak times but you can get 'city' pricing at least and download offpeak), or RBI (Wireless), or a WISP - and yet you still think that Chorus should spend a lot of money that they will never make back on Outram, instead of other places that have things far worse than you do.

Becuase that's what you're asking - there isn't an unlimited bucket of money. If Outram is upgraded, somewhere else won't be.

Cheers - N

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#1074055 25-Jun-2014 11:18

Lost the will to live reading that article. So. Much. Stupid.

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#1074063 25-Jun-2014 11:30

My main issue with Clare Curran is that she jumped on the Chorus bashing bandwagon when it was topical because she believed Chorus were ripping people off, but now wants Chorus to invest in unprofitable areas at a time where there earnings and CAPEX have now ben placed under considerable uncertainly due to the significant financial impact of the Chorus bashing campaign. You can't have things both way in life.

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#1074173 25-Jun-2014 12:40

Otago Daily Times:

Outram Charitable Trust treasurer Tim Gibson said the situation was ridiculous.

''During the evenings at 7pm, it's barely above one megabyte per second.

''You might be able to watch a very low quality Youtube video, but nothing else.''

1MB/s = 8Mbps, and according to Netflix that's fine for HD streaming...

I'm going to assume the article is misquoting, because the whole article is just such a misdirected and ill informed pile of crap.

Anyway, this whole discussion is pointless, imo.

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#1074250 25-Jun-2014 13:42

sbiddle: My main issue with Clare Curran is that she jumped on the Chorus bashing bandwagon when it was topical because she believed Chorus were ripping people off, but now wants Chorus to invest in unprofitable areas at a time where there earnings and CAPEX have now ben placed under considerable uncertainly due to the significant financial impact of the Chorus bashing campaign. You can't have things both way in life.

She said Chorus responded there were no plans to upgrade the exchange at Outram, as it ''cannot currently justify the investment''.

Ms Curran said she rejected that. ''It's not really a business case. It's actually a state-funded programme.''

^Except the RBI is state funded too that covers the area. As mentioned if its poor value, then that should be bought up as the issue. And the UFB program its not entirely state funded, its subsidised and chorus still need to make money.
IMO this is just all a charade by the MP, unless Labour is going to announce a policy where they throw more money at the UFB program for outlying areas that didn't make the cut, this is just pandering for votes and looking like they are 'fighting for the little guy' type thing.
Anyone who doesn't have their head in the clouds about this knows if a town this size is to be considered, so does every single other small town.

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#1074486 25-Jun-2014 18:35

Sadly Timbo it doesn't sound like there's a huge groundswell of support for your petition. How many signatures have you got from Outram anyway? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?

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Master Geek

#1074606 25-Jun-2014 21:42

Yea it's a shame even informed posters on these forums get their m's, M's, b's and B's mixed up...

I don't expect there to be any support from outside the community, but there is. We've more than a couple of hundred signatures, knocking on doors I just ask "have you seen my petition for better broadband?" and they respond "yes where do I sign" or "already signed it". There absolutely is a lot of frustration out there as quite a number have comented that the service has noticeably deteriorated in the last year.

At the very least with everyone out there signing it should be easy to get support to abandon Chorus...

Tim

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