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#380810 16-Sep-2010 19:15

webnation: just want to point out that the rest of world is not all moving to FTTN, the US is not and the UK is not, probably only France is in the similar situation as Aus and NZ are in..

but there are countries that already has it, Singapore, Japan and Souther Korea...Finland maybe..

i would vote to get Pacific Fibre prioritized than NGN

Do you understand what a FTTN network actually is? Or are you confusing it with FTTH?

There are FTTN networks everywhere around the world, it's been the basis of most new telco rollouts in the past ~15 years.

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#380822 16-Sep-2010 19:28

jeffrey I find your understanding of FTTN in total contradiction to reality, the UK has had a massive upgrade to a FTTN network, something Dr Reynolds personally had a hand in, also most Telco's in the US that dont own HFC networks (or have significant DSL networks) have increased their FTTN investment after having seen the biggest FTTH investor( Version) withdraw from extending their network before it killed the company with debt.

If you must post please try keep the facts above board. We would all like a FTTH rollout, tomorrow if its suits whoever is doing it, but wake up, we dont live in lolly pop land.

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#380882 16-Sep-2010 21:11

yes i meant a national level fibre to premises networks, which NZ and AUS are trying to built.

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#380883 16-Sep-2010 21:15

webnation: yes i meant a national level fibre to premises networks, which NZ and AUS are trying to built.

Not if you read the media...

"NZ and AUS are bitching about"

AU - NBN - 5000 units - 70 connected services.

NZ - 3 front runners, 14 contenders - installs?

When do I get to start digging up the front yard for my fibre?!

Cheers Don

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#381240 17-Sep-2010 13:10

So you mean FTTP then? Fibre to the premises...

Telecommunications networks are at least 20 year investments in terms of ROI, and likely to be in service for the next 50 years maybe more. The rest of the world is generally getting fibre closer to the premises whether they use a strategy such as FTTN to get half-way there, or whether countries like NZ, Oz and Singapore go for a government coordinated FTTP rollout. Personally I don't think any of the investment models are perfect but perhaps the NZ regional approach is flexible enough to benefit from overseas experiences.

For multi-unit dwellings FTTP generally involves service over copper within the building and (especially for apartment blocks with older wiring) could even use VDSL2 anyway.

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#381244 17-Sep-2010 13:16

DonGould:
webwat: peering banned.

Is it really?! wow

You cannot peer between UCLL access-seekers within a Telecom exchange, its not allowed. Any links between access-seekers must be done outside the building, presumably because Telecom doesn't allow third-party use of optical distribution frames and wants to favour Telecom's own backhaul.

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#381251 17-Sep-2010 13:29

webnation: yes i meant a national level fibre to premises networks, which NZ and AUS are trying to built.

And which companies like Verizon have canned in the USA because there is simply no ROI?

FTTH is simply a totally unsustainable business model without deep pockets from the government or a private investor willing to bet on a ~30 year minimum ROI.

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#381267 17-Sep-2010 13:54

webnation: yes i meant a national level fibre to premises networks, which NZ and AUS are trying to built.

To be a bit more specific, what NZ and Aus are proposing is Fibre Passing the premise, the "last drop" is outside the network building scope and something that customers, ISP's or a subsidy will have to cover.

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#381309 17-Sep-2010 15:09

cyril7: Coverage maps will also soon include VDSL2 and GPON coverage

I see that this has gone live now... and there's a nice green VDSL2 "blob" surrounding, but not touching, my house :(

Edit: The dates are interesting though, does the VDSL equipment not support ADSL2+ as well? Is it actually separate equipment?

Exchange Area: Whakatane
ADSL2+ Upgrade: Mar 2011
VDSL2 Upgrade: Sep 2010

Edit 2: I see that Ragnor already asked this!

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#381363 17-Sep-2010 17:16

I believe the date is not correct for VDSL2, its an error. I think that comes about from the fact that from Sept10 VDSL2 is being soft launched, so is available where ever ADSL2+ is available, hence in your case Mar11 is the date you can get either service. I guess its a glitch in the map tool that only really effects those where cabinets currently are still to be installed.

The original ISAM cards were ADSL1/ADSL2/2+ and are what the first release of cabinets carried, the cards that does all ADSL & VDSL2 are retro fitted as needed, I presume maybe one card in each ISAM frame (each frame can carry 4 cards, 48 ports per card, 192ports per frame) is upgraded and further will up upgraded as demand for VDSL2 increases.

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#381531 18-Sep-2010 08:27

Looks like you're right; I went to my parents' place last night (they're close to the exchange and are not being cabinetised) and it still only connected at ADSL1. So, they're still waiting until March.

Thanks for the explanation :)

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#381649 18-Sep-2010 17:25

I'm not really sure what the point of this huge fibre rollout is when there's such a limitation on international bandwidth in this country anyway.

I mean sure you will be able to download at 5mb/s but does that help when you will use all your monthly allowance in one day? :D

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#381651 18-Sep-2010 17:32

bellyfrog: I'm not really sure what the point of this huge fibre rollout is when there's such a limitation on international bandwidth in this country anyway.

I mean sure you will be able to download at 5mb/s but does that help when you will use all your monthly allowance in one day? :D

Well that's sort of the point of the two international cable projects that are being worked on at present isn't it.

It's a bit chicken and egg. Do you build a new external cable when there's no way to get the data to the users? Do you put in a new network when there's no data to be had?

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#381751 19-Sep-2010 02:31

International transit cost has been dropping year on year, many people are worried adsl port cost and domestic peering (lack of), backhaul and handover link costs are holding us back a lot currently.

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#382059 19-Sep-2010 23:00

bellyfrog: I'm not really sure what the point of this huge fibre rollout is when there's such a limitation on international bandwidth in this country anyway.

I mean sure you will be able to download at 5mb/s but does that help when you will use all your monthly allowance in one day? :D

Try looking ahead a few years, and you will see that international capacity, national bandwidth at several different levels, and local bandwidth to premises all have room for development. In the past NZers have generally complained that someone else should build bandwidth without identifying actual bottlenecks or ways to overcome them. Building out infrastructure that creates more demand on other bottlenecks will improve the case for other projects that are also necessary such as the longhaul links. Creating competition for the local loop should contribute to a competitive market for backhaul.

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