Who's getting hyperfibre?

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#2657954 16-Feb-2021 22:15

There's lots of fun reasons to get into 10GbE. Mellanox NICS are cheap and Mikrotik have a couple of small fanless switches that are quite affordable for homelab enthusiasts. A SFP+ to 10GbaseT module is around $100 from what I recall. My biggest issues with Hyperfibre so far have been a) Chorus pushing firmware updates that break configuration with no notice (cost of doing business as an early adopter I reckon) and b) I need to reevaluate my local SSD caching situation for my cloud drive.

It's pretty slick watching Steam downloads hit 160-180MB/s, though admittedly that's not all downloads.

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#2657978 17-Feb-2021 00:11

davyike:

michaelmurfy: @davyike the question for you is what are you hoping to gain from Hyperfibre? Networking equipment is expensive currently and despite you having a dream machine pro, you’re still limited by the lacklustre ISP choice currently. You’re better to wait until more providers support it and also network equipment is cheaper.

Thanks, that's the impression I'd gotten. My reason for asking now, is because I'm running cables from one part of the house (where the ONT lives) to the other part where the UDMP lives, and I'm trying to figure out what cables I should be running if I want Hyperfibre later. Will I paint myself into a corner if I only run CAT6a?

CAT6A is supposed to do 10gigabit ethernet allegedly unless you run unshielded cables in a high EMI situation. The most future proof copper would be CAT8 with an awg rating off 22 or lower with shielded jacks. That's datacentre grade and can be rated to do you 40gbit or more but with the accompanying price and scarcity. I've wondered how long until fibre optics displaces copper for in-house wiring.

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#2657984 17-Feb-2021 07:07

I think the biggest factor stopping that currently is the difficulty of DIY termination of fibre - currently I can buy 300m of cat6, a container of connectors and a crimp tool for a couple of hundred, and make cables to my hearts content. Now while I am trained in terminating fibre, there's no cheap way for me to be doing that DIY.

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#2657990 17-Feb-2021 07:21

Once again this topic comes up with mis information about what catX does what. Cat6 will do 10G just fine out to around 56m I have done this repeatedly with various brands of cable, its not an issue. Cat5e will also do it to around 20m infact I have seen it easily go more. Cat6a is rated for 10G to full 100m channel length.

Things that will impact on the above is poor cable installation (ie tight bends, EMI related issues) and poor termination. Also alien crosstalk is a big issue and the reason UTP cat6a has that lumpy look as it attempt to randomise pair exposure to other cables in the bundle, so small bundles will help, so in domestic situations where major lengths of a run are just single or purhaps two cables the issue is seriously mitigated, meaning the successful use of cat5e/6 is much greater.

Another thing to consider is that the 10G port on the ONT is infact a 1/2.5/5/10G NBaseT interface, 2.5 and 5G will run at full 100m (infact upto 200m) on both cat5e or 6 let alone cat6a, so as NBaseT interfaces and switches become more common then speed limits to 1G will disappear even on historic cabling.

If you want lots and long runs of 10G, 40G or higher then just run fibre, problem solved

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#2657994 17-Feb-2021 07:38

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Digmarx:

Whatever, I'd rather run my own router, just hadn't got around to having bridging enabled.

Yeah :/ I'm also holding out to have bridging enabled. Orcon told me this wasnt a think for residential HyperFibre (though Chrous docs disagree), so i'll either upgrade to business or rejoice when bridging mode is made availalbe for residential.

You're with an RSP that sells a fully managed end to end product to customers, and this is all they support. If you want to install your own hardware then move to a RSP that allows this.

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#2657999 17-Feb-2021 08:01

I've got a lot more clarity now. What I'm taking away from this is that;

Copper will be fine - definitely 6a, probably even 6 or 5e. Fibre is hard to DIY.
I will need a RJ45 to SFP+ Transceiver Module to connect to my Dream Machine Pro with 10G copper from the ONT. e.g. https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NETUBI0227/Ubiquiti-UF-RJ45-10G-RJ45-to-SFP-Transceiver-Modul

Thanks all!!

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#2658009 17-Feb-2021 08:29

davyike:

michaelmurfy: @davyike the question for you is what are you hoping to gain from Hyperfibre? Networking equipment is expensive currently and despite you having a dream machine pro, you’re still limited by the lacklustre ISP choice currently. You’re better to wait until more providers support it and also network equipment is cheaper.

Thanks, that's the impression I'd gotten. My reason for asking now, is because I'm running cables from one part of the house (where the ONT lives) to the other part where the UDMP lives, and I'm trying to figure out what cables I should be running if I want Hyperfibre later. Will I paint myself into a corner if I only run CAT6a?

run at least cat6a shielded and also some fiber if you can. that way you are future proofed for both technologies

for fiber just buy per-terminated lengths and run that

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#2658183 17-Feb-2021 12:54

So probably perfect time to have this conversation, I just got hyperfibre and am struggling to get decent performance.
I'm running cat6, and when negotiated at 10gbit I get ~1.6gbit down and 500up, when negotiated at 1gbit I get 1gbit down/up.

This is the same behaviour between 2 different PCs and 2 different cat6 cables, One of which is maybe half a meter.

I was making the assumption that I needed to move to cat6a and that my cables might not be decent enough - same performance on cat5e btw.

Any thoughts? my head hurts.

Edit: No switch in-line or anything, different network adapters.

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#2658249 17-Feb-2021 13:40

can you post the specs of the pc and network adapters you are testing with ?

kyonz

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#2658266 17-Feb-2021 14:02

dt:

can you post the specs of the pc and network adapters you are testing with ?

Yeah of course,

PC 1
Ryzen 3950x
DDR4 32GB @ 3600
RTX 3090
NVME boot drive
Gigabyte x570 xTreme (10gbit AQC chipset)

PC 2
Ryzen 1800x
DDR4 16GB @ 2666
RX 480
SSD boot drive
Sabrent USB Type-C to 5-Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

Both running Windows 10

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#2658606 17-Feb-2021 17:23

Not sure if this is off topic but Ive got a current fibre 4000 order and was wondering if anyone has recommendations for a good 10Gb ethernet NIC? preferably ones that are actually in stock in NZ. Furthermore, anyone currently on hyperfibre getting full speeds over cat6? My house is wired for cat6 and while in theory 10gbps is achievable I was wondering if that's actually the case for anyone in the real world. I've read previous responses on this thread that come close to answering my questions but was perhaps looking for some more specific answers.

cheers.

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#2658617 17-Feb-2021 17:46

@JaWes have a read through the last 2-3 pages

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#2658626 17-Feb-2021 17:53

@JaWes if you read my comments in the past couple of pages you will see that yes 10G on cat6 does work in the wild.

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#2658718 17-Feb-2021 20:49

So my problems weren't cabling related, trying cat6a results in no benefit - which aligns with everything I've read that cat6 should be fine at smaller distances.

I'm really struggling to understand this problem, upload speed cuts in half when I negotiate 10gbit (instead of 1gbit).

Have updated firmware and drivers for aquantia NIC and same issue. If anyone has any ideas would love to know them as I'm starting to run out of straws to grasp.

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#2658721 17-Feb-2021 20:57

kyonz:

So my problems weren't cabling related, trying cat6a results in no benefit - which aligns with everything I've read that cat6 should be fine at smaller distances.

I'm really struggling to understand this problem, upload speed cuts in half when I negotiate 10gbit (instead of 1gbit).

Have updated firmware and drivers for aquantia NIC and same issue. If anyone has any ideas would love to know them as I'm starting to run out of straws to grasp.

just a silly point - how are you measuring speeds? I was seeing around 1G down/2G up measured using OOKla speedtest in the browser, got solid 4Gb/s up and down using the app running native - browser / java overhead really kicks in at this sort of speed...

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