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#2154673 5-Jan-2019 07:52

I do wonder at all the old rural exchanges that are getting nothing..

Many years ago I spent a few years living a 100m or so from RGW/A, which is scheduled to get no IP services ever despite being located in the middle of a small township (and was on a State Highway until they changed the designation 20 odd years ago), and at least as of a 5 years ago the locals were still on 3 digit phone numbers. Communities like this are just being ignored and forgotten imo, which is kind of sad. I get we can't get services to everyone, but I don't really see why Chorus won't run fibre and put in DSLAM's to small towns like this.

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#2154680 5-Jan-2019 08:07

Lias:

I do wonder at all the old rural exchanges that are getting nothing..

Many years ago I spent a few years living a 100m or so from RGW/A, which is scheduled to get no IP services ever despite being located in the middle of a small township (and was on a State Highway until they changed the designation 20 odd years ago), and at least as of a 5 years ago the locals were still on 3 digit phone numbers. Communities like this are just being ignored and forgotten imo, which is kind of sad. I get we can't get services to everyone, but I don't really see why Chorus won't run fibre and put in DSLAM's to small towns like this.

Wow, really? 3 digit phone numbers? Is there an operator for exterior calling? :D

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#2154681 5-Jan-2019 08:19

3 digits,..... 5 years ago, nah, in the mid 80s with the introduction of the NEAX's we moved to the 7 digit numbering still in use. That's nearly 30yrs before you mentioned.

Unless someone has better detail regarding the number system history.

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#2154683 5-Jan-2019 08:24

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#2154685 5-Jan-2019 08:27

old3eyes:
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Don't even bother reading the comments on the Stuff article! So much dumb

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The comments are the best part of Stuff. It's not the news.

@old3eyes actually very valid point

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#2154701 5-Jan-2019 09:33

snnet:

Lias:

I do wonder at all the old rural exchanges that are getting nothing..

Many years ago I spent a few years living a 100m or so from RGW/A, which is scheduled to get no IP services ever despite being located in the middle of a small township (and was on a State Highway until they changed the designation 20 odd years ago), and at least as of a 5 years ago the locals were still on 3 digit phone numbers. Communities like this are just being ignored and forgotten imo, which is kind of sad. I get we can't get services to everyone, but I don't really see why Chorus won't run fibre and put in DSLAM's to small towns like this.

Wow, really? 3 digit phone numbers? Is there an operator for exterior calling? :D

I'm pretty sure all the numbers (everywhere) were all changed to 7 digits by the mid-to-late 1990's. Hell, I know the last party lines were removed from the Marlborough Sounds in 1997 - that's when the last 3 and 4 digit numbers would have disappeared.

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#2154733 5-Jan-2019 11:01

Lias:

I do wonder at all the old rural exchanges that are getting nothing..

Many years ago I spent a few years living a 100m or so from RGW/A, which is scheduled to get no IP services ever despite being located in the middle of a small township (and was on a State Highway until they changed the designation 20 odd years ago), and at least as of a 5 years ago the locals were still on 3 digit phone numbers. Communities like this are just being ignored and forgotten imo, which is kind of sad. I get we can't get services to everyone, but I don't really see why Chorus won't run fibre and put in DSLAM's to small towns like this.

RGW (A then on to B) is actually feed on a double hope microwave link from Palmerston North (that is where it is switched) (the UAX Swicth was pulled out in the 80s) / This is an RBI area (managed by Vodafone) so unfortunatly at this stage, there would be no financial incentive for any network company to lay in 20km of fibre over on slip prone roadways to feed less than maybe 40 customers who are close enough to actually use faster BB

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#2155074 5-Jan-2019 20:12

cyril7: 3 digits,..... 5 years ago, nah, in the mid 80s with the introduction of the NEAX's we moved to the 7 digit numbering still in use. That's nearly 30yrs before you mentioned.

Unless someone has better detail regarding the number system history.

Cyril

I lived there in the early 90's and when I lived there you couldn't direct dial tolls, had to get the operator and say this is Rangiwahia 123 and I'd like to call 04 12345567. The community phone list published as of 2013 still has 3 digit numbers for most people on the list, although on looking again it does say "Remember to dial 3282 first" so it looks as if they are indeed on 7 digits now, but almost everyone is on the same first 4 digits so they just ignore it in the list.

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RGW (A then on to B) is actually feed on a double hope microwave link from Palmerston North (that is where it is switched) (the UAX Swicth was pulled out in the 80s) / This is an RBI area (managed by Vodafone) so unfortunatly at this stage, there would be no financial incentive for any network company to lay in 20km of fibre over on slip prone roadways to feed less than maybe 40 customers who are close enough to actually use faster BB

Wow still.. when I lived there their was a microwave tower on the top of the hill on our land, and I believe my parents got a small payment for it's presence. I kind of assumed it would have been replaced by now, but I guess not. So question, would the Vodafone RBI tower not need fibre backhaul if it's going to offer decent speeds? Seems a no brainer to me that every new RBI celltower should have fibre running to it, and if you are already running fibre for the towers, why not either simultaneously run fibre for other services or require it to be shared infrastructure?

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#2155075 5-Jan-2019 20:19

Lias:

Wow still.. when I lived there their was a microwave tower on the top of the hill on our land, and I believe my parents got a small payment for it's presence. I kind of assumed it would have been replaced by now, but I guess not. So question, would the Vodafone RBI tower not need fibre backhaul if it's going to offer decent speeds? Seems a no brainer to me that every new RBI celltower should have fibre running to it, and if you are already running fibre for the towers, why not either simultaneously run fibre for other services or require it to be shared infrastructure?

VF RBI tends to only be a single B28 carrier...

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#2155078 5-Jan-2019 20:36

This whole discussion about lack of broadband availability to every part of NZ now seems null and void to me. I was just working at a certain rural address and the owners proclaimed that their new neighbour across the road is high up in Chorus and was disgusted with the lack of signal for wireless and rubbish (but VDSL capable) fixed line broadband so he's apparently made sure there's money allocated for fibre to the gate of his new house.

So it's true about who you are and who you know. Nothing else seems to matter when it comes to making a snap decision to get fibre to an area not previously allocated for and no formal plans for. It's not the guy paying for it either.

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#2155137 5-Jan-2019 22:02

hio77:
Lias:

Wow still.. when I lived there their was a microwave tower on the top of the hill on our land, and I believe my parents got a small payment for it's presence. I kind of assumed it would have been replaced by now, but I guess not. So question, would the Vodafone RBI tower not need fibre backhaul if it's going to offer decent speeds? Seems a no brainer to me that every new RBI celltower should have fibre running to it, and if you are already running fibre for the towers, why not either simultaneously run fibre for other services or require it to be shared infrastructure?

VF RBI tends to only be a single B28 carrier...

Plenty of Vodafone RBI sites now running multiple carriers and CA with the new B525. Overall lagging significantly behind Sparks 4G efforts though sadly to say.

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#2155139 5-Jan-2019 22:21

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cyril7: 3 digits,..... 5 years ago, nah, in the mid 80s with the introduction of the NEAX's we moved to the 7 digit numbering still in use. That's nearly 30yrs before you mentioned.

Unless someone has better detail regarding the number system history.

Cyril

I lived there in the early 90's and when I lived there you couldn't direct dial tolls, had to get the operator and say this is Rangiwahia 123 and I'd like to call 04 12345567. The community phone list published as of 2013 still has 3 digit numbers for most people on the list, although on looking again it does say "Remember to dial 3282 first" so it looks as if they are indeed on 7 digits now, but almost everyone is on the same first 4 digits so they just ignore it in the list.

It would have changed at the same time as the rest of the country then (mid-to-late 1990s). The actual Telecom White pages (not the community one you mention) would have listed the full number correctly.

It's the same where I grew up - everyone had three digit numbers, and then 7323 was added to the front, but some people (mostly elderly) sometimes still give the three digits for their landline number. My generation doesn't however - we learned to give the full and correct number.

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#2155140 5-Jan-2019 22:27

Lias:

I do wonder at all the old rural exchanges that are getting nothing..

Many years ago I spent a few years living a 100m or so from RGW/A, which is scheduled to get no IP services ever despite being located in the middle of a small township (and was on a State Highway until they changed the designation 20 odd years ago), and at least as of a 5 years ago the locals were still on 3 digit phone numbers. Communities like this are just being ignored and forgotten imo, which is kind of sad. I get we can't get services to everyone, but I don't really see why Chorus won't run fibre and put in DSLAM's to small towns like this.

I think you better check your time machine. Seven digits has been the standard for many years, even before I moved here in the mid-90s.

snnet:

This whole discussion about lack of broadband availability to every part of NZ now seems null and void to me. I was just working at a certain rural address and the owners proclaimed that their new neighbour across the road is high up in Chorus and was disgusted with the lack of signal for wireless and rubbish (but VDSL capable) fixed line broadband so he's apparently made sure there's money allocated for fibre to the gate of his new house.

A friend-of-a-friend tale. An urban legend. It doesn't sound right...

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#2155141 5-Jan-2019 22:34

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Lias:

Wow still.. when I lived there their was a microwave tower on the top of the hill on our land, and I believe my parents got a small payment for it's presence. I kind of assumed it would have been replaced by now, but I guess not. So question, would the Vodafone RBI tower not need fibre backhaul if it's going to offer decent speeds? Seems a no brainer to me that every new RBI celltower should have fibre running to it, and if you are already running fibre for the towers, why not either simultaneously run fibre for other services or require it to be shared infrastructure?

VF RBI tends to only be a single B28 carrier...

@hio77 Not correct most have 2 carriers and many have 3

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#2155143 5-Jan-2019 22:40

It's not a friend of a friend tale, its family whom I know don't lie speaking directly to their new neighbour actually.

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