Chorus upgrading fibre plans from June 2025

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#3342217 13-Feb-2025 06:34

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And that is why a fibre ONT in the actual rented property needs to be made a legal requirement of having a rentable house.

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Sounds like your are keen to engage with an MP to get a private members bill drafted…

I wonder if the current minister is keen or potentially approach some back bench Green MP looking for somthing to do 😀

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#3342231 13-Feb-2025 08:51

The had some legislation in 2017 to get fibre into apartments. Still needs some consents. The words are here https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2017/0016/35.0/DLM6879734.html

Should still be free.

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#3342304 13-Feb-2025 09:13

It is worth noting that there is a use case where fixed wireless can be a viable and valid alternative to available Fibre - and that is for people who have an Occupation Rights Agreement in a retirement village.

First these people don't stream. They spent a significant part of their lives in the pre-internet era when domestic technology revolved around radios, oven timers and (later) TVs. They may never have mastered the mysteries of using a VCR. If they wish to watch a movie they go to the local theatre or village community rooms. They have been forced into the internet era by the requirement to use internet banking in particular and the general adoption of email.

Getting fixed wireless is easy - those nice folks at the local Spark/One/2D/Noel Leeming shop sign them up. The plan is generally cheaper than Fibre 300/100 and the data limits are not an issue. They take the unit home and just plug it in. Someone (usually Family, Neighbours, village volunteers or in-home services) will help them to connect their tablet or phone to it and also the TV if appropriate. When they move from independent living to a serviced apartment they simply take the unit with them.

In contrast, getting Fibre can be difficult if there is no ONT in the unit. While installation is free, it involves working with both Chorus and Village management to get the ONT installed. Then a separately-purchased router is needed, though they may well have one already.

While this is a small cohort of our population, their use case does not include Fibre.

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#3342340 13-Feb-2025 10:13

OldGeek:

While installation is free, it involves working with both Chorus and Village management to get the ONT installed.

IMO the "village management" are really to blame with your scenario (which I see your point on completely). They should be stepping up and working with Chorus to get the ONTs all installed throughout the village dwellings. Its just laziness on their part. And I would argue, short sighted. As the "younger generations" eventually start filtering into these services they'll be looking at things like internet connectivity (I certainly will).

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#3342354 13-Feb-2025 10:41

nzkc:

IMO the "village management" are really to blame with your scenario (which I see your point on completely). They should be stepping up and working with Chorus to get the ONTs all installed throughout the village dwellings. Its just laziness on their part. And I would argue, short sighted. As the "younger generations" eventually start filtering into these services they'll be looking at things like internet connectivity (I certainly will).

I volunteer at a local village run by a charitable Trust (ie not for profit). Fibre was run throughout the village as part of the normal rollout down each street (streets are named and each independent living villa has its own postal address) however the Trust chose not to get ONTs installed in existing villas because of the use case I have outlined and their wish to only have an ONT in a unit of the occupant has asked for it - and most buyers already have fixed wireless that they bring with them when they move in.

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#3342410 13-Feb-2025 11:05

OldGeek:

First these people don't stream. They spent a significant part of their lives in the pre-internet era when domestic technology revolved around radios, oven timers and (later) TVs. They may never have mastered the mysteries of using a VCR. If they wish to watch a movie they go to the local theatre or village community rooms. They have been forced into the internet era by the requirement to use internet banking in particular and the general adoption of email.

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While this is a small cohort of our population, their use case does not include Fibre.

This obviously depends on the individuals involved, and I know one couple aged 89 and 90 respectively, in a retirement village unit, who stream several hours a day (seems to be mostly YouTube and Netflix). These aren't particularly tech-savvy people.

A blanket "old people don't need internet" doesn't really apply any more.

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#3342464 13-Feb-2025 11:19

cddt:

A blanket "old people don't need internet" doesn't really apply any more.

It's no different from a blanket "everyone needs fibre". My elderly parents only use their internet connection to read "Stuff" each morning and send the odd email. They currently have fibre but I highly doubt they would notice any difference whatsoever if they had fixed wireless.

I actually used fixed wireless for a couple of years with no problems, admittedly before I started using streaming TV. I have fibre now for the TV, but apart from that I don't use the internet much at home.

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#3342488 13-Feb-2025 13:10

OldGeek: It is worth noting that there is a use case where fixed wireless can be a viable and valid alternative to available Fibre - and that is for people who have an Occupation Rights Agreement in a retirement village.

In the one Mother Neb is in there's ethernet run to each unit from some centralised fibre distribution point. You don't need an ONT in every unit, just a wired connection of some kind.

This is, however, balanced out by the fact that they've wired up RJ45s as RJ11s in each room, so there's only one actual Internet-providing RJ45 in the living room.

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#3342492 13-Feb-2025 13:21

An apartment in Auckland I used to live in had ethernet running to each unit, but for unknown reasons they decided not to use it, and instead punch holes in the fire proof walls and take a long route through the bathroom to avoid some fire proof walls, then terminate the fibre in the main living area.

I tried for a while to get them to install the ONT in the cabinet in the hallway, and use the existing CAT6 cable, though looking back that's probably due to lack of ventilation in the cabinet. (+ also a security risk, you could easily open it with a little bit of will without key)

Still, it pained me that whoever built the apartment thought forward enough to put in CAT6 cabling to each unit, but it never got used. Instead the apartment got sketchy expensive wifi, that was painfully unreliable.

I even tried talking to the company behind the WiFi, to get a switch put in the cabinet where the wifi repeaters where, to give me wired access to there internet, but no dice.

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#3342517 13-Feb-2025 15:12

100/20 will be fantastic value at existing 50/10 prices, will drop down my 300/100 to save the money as the amount of times we use >100mbit actively is a few times a month.

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#3342519 13-Feb-2025 15:19

loceff13:

100/20 will be fantastic value at existing 50/10 prices, will drop down my 300/100 to save the money as the amount of times we use >100mbit actively is a few times a month.

Yes, just looking myself. I'm with Spark but will probably churn out to a provider offering a decent price 100/20 plan. I like 300/100, but I doubt I really ever use it to anywhere near its potential. If I can save $20 a month, I'll jump.

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#3342523 13-Feb-2025 16:27

trig42:

loceff13:

100/20 will be fantastic value at existing 50/10 prices, will drop down my 300/100 to save the money as the amount of times we use >100mbit actively is a few times a month.

Yes, just looking myself. I'm with Spark but will probably churn out to a provider offering a decent price 100/20 plan. I like 300/100, but I doubt I really ever use it to anywhere near its potential. If I can save $20 a month, I'll jump.

yeah, eh, One’s plan is considerably cheaper than Spark’s. I wonder, with the speed increase, if Skinny will bring back an entry plan, unsure if it still exists and remains BTL for retention.

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#3342528 13-Feb-2025 16:35

I wonder how much revenue loss this might cause for RSPs as I can see a lot of people downgrading from 300/100. Many people view the 50/10 plan as only suitable for light users but 100/20 really is suitable for many if not most users.

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#3342540 13-Feb-2025 16:59

Senecio:

I wonder how much revenue loss this might cause for RSPs..

as I can see a lot of people downgrading from 300/100. Many people view the 50/10 plan as only suitable for light users but 100/20 really is suitable for many if not most users.

It depends on how they are structuring their pricing,

Yes Customers moving from 300/100 down to 100/20 is a reduction in gross income,

but the wholesale price they pay Chorus for 300 will be higher than the new 100 plan,

So if their margin on the 100/20 is higher than 300/100 they might actually make more money

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#3342615 13-Feb-2025 19:59

I switched from 300/100 to 50/10 about 4 mths ago and can't say I noticed any change. Very light usage here though.

But won't turn my nose up to a same cost 100/20!

Thank you Chorus.

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