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#382234 20-Sep-2010 13:14

Behodar: I see that this has gone live now... and there's a nice green VDSL2 "blob" surrounding, but not touching, my house :(

And along those lines, is there any way to register interest for VDSL2? There has been no "surveying" of users to see who would actually want the service, so it appears that the current cabinet location proposal is "let's put VDSL2 equipment here and then see whether anyone signs up for it" (although I'm sure that there must be more to it than that). Telecom/Chorus may be able to come up with a better proposed location if people like me can actually tell them that we're interested in the service.

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#382376 20-Sep-2010 17:33

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bellyfrog: I'm not really sure what the point of this huge fibre rollout is when there's such a limitation on international bandwidth in this country anyway.

I mean sure you will be able to download at 5mb/s but does that help when you will use all your monthly allowance in one day? :D

Try looking ahead a few years, and you will see that international capacity, national bandwidth at several different levels, and local bandwidth to premises all have room for development. In the past NZers have generally complained that someone else should build bandwidth without identifying actual bottlenecks or ways to overcome them. Building out infrastructure that creates more demand on other bottlenecks will improve the case for other projects that are also necessary such as the longhaul links. Creating competition for the local loop should contribute to a competitive market for backhaul.

Yes, I know what you mean, but since the overseas cables they are dropping won't be done until 2013 and the fibre rollout is set to complete 2011, there is still gonna be a lot of time where the fibre won't be used to it's potential.

Hey who am I to comment on this I don't really know anything about it, it just seems odd to me to make such a massive hoo-ha over this fibre stuff (the companies) when it is not really likely to improve things for the home-user until at least 3-4 years from now.

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#382381 20-Sep-2010 17:51

bellyfrog:
webwat:
bellyfrog: I'm not really sure what the point of this huge fibre rollout is when there's such a limitation on international bandwidth in this country anyway.

I mean sure you will be able to download at 5mb/s but does that help when you will use all your monthly allowance in one day? :D

Try looking ahead a few years, and you will see that international capacity, national bandwidth at several different levels, and local bandwidth to premises all have room for development. In the past NZers have generally complained that someone else should build bandwidth without identifying actual bottlenecks or ways to overcome them. Building out infrastructure that creates more demand on other bottlenecks will improve the case for other projects that are also necessary such as the longhaul links. Creating competition for the local loop should contribute to a competitive market for backhaul.

Yes, I know what you mean, but since the overseas cables they are dropping won't be done until 2013 and the fibre rollout is set to complete 2011, there is still gonna be a lot of time where the fibre won't be used to it's potential.

Hey who am I to comment on this I don't really know anything about it, it just seems odd to me to make such a massive hoo-ha over this fibre stuff (the companies) when it is not really likely to improve things for the home-user until at least 3-4 years from now.

Your assuming that all traffic will be overseas... What about someone wanting to watch high definition sky on demand, video conference in high definition with their grandma in Invercargill, a doctor in a big city wanting to conference with remote patients rather than forcing them to drive to the local clinic.

For our business its about making it more cost effective to move data between our offices and consolidate IT infrastructure, in turn reducing our equipment costs and electricity consumption...

Its all about thinking of doing things which currently are not done but can be when the infrastructure is in place.

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#382445 20-Sep-2010 20:27

I had a quick look at NZConnections but didn't see anything; are there any consumer VDSL2+ products yet? I happen to be in the middle of a VDSL2+ zone and could be tempted to try it out.

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#382456 20-Sep-2010 20:57

1080p: I had a quick look at NZConnections but didn't see anything; are there any consumer VDSL2+ products yet? I happen to be in the middle of a VDSL2+ zone and could be tempted to try it out.

TelstraClear are the only provider currently providing VDSL2 connections.

There are a large number of Telecom Wholesale ISP's who are currently trialling the VDSL2 service and have been for some time. Residential trials are just beginning to ramp up and I expect to have a trial connection very soon that I'll be talking about.

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#382853 21-Sep-2010 19:49

1080p: I had a quick look at NZConnections but didn't see anything; are there any consumer VDSL2+ products yet? I happen to be in the middle of a VDSL2+ zone and could be tempted to try it out.

Only this: http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/business/products/internet/biznet/

yes, I know its a business plan, but you can sign up to if youre able to connect to their network.

and yeah, its faaaaarkin expensive. Telstra want $400 a month for 30mb down, 7mb up... and this is excluding the data.

In Aus on adam internet, you can get 100mb down, 5mb up, 180GB for $140 or something.

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#382854 21-Sep-2010 19:53

NzKaizer:
1080p: I had a quick look at NZConnections but didn't see anything; are there any consumer VDSL2+ products yet? I happen to be in the middle of a VDSL2+ zone and could be tempted to try it out.

Only this: http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/business/products/internet/biznet/

yes, I know its a business plan, but you can sign up to if youre able to connect to their network.

and yeah, its faaaaarkin expensive. Telstra want $400 a month for 30mb down, 7mb up... and this is excluding the data.

In Aus on adam internet, you can get 100mb down, 5mb up, 180GB for $140 or something.

Unless you know for sure that both operate on identical CIR's and contention ratio's your hardly comparing apples with apples.

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#382855 21-Sep-2010 19:54

sbiddle:
NzKaizer:
1080p: I had a quick look at NZConnections but didn't see anything; are there any consumer VDSL2+ products yet? I happen to be in the middle of a VDSL2+ zone and could be tempted to try it out.

Only this: http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/business/products/internet/biznet/

yes, I know its a business plan, but you can sign up to if youre able to connect to their network.

and yeah, its faaaaarkin expensive. Telstra want $400 a month for 30mb down, 7mb up... and this is excluding the data.

In Aus on adam internet, you can get 100mb down, 5mb up, 180GB for $140 or something.

Unless you know for sure that both operate on identical CIR's and contention ratio's your hardly comparing apples with apples.

Telstra can pretty much charge what they want for lack of competition. I'm sure prices will drop in time as more providers offer vdsl2 services

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#382856 21-Sep-2010 19:55

In Aus on adam internet, you can get 100mb down, 5mb up, 180GB for $140 or something.

Can you point me to a link for that plan please.

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Dont worry found it thanks

http://www.adam.com.au/products/vdsl2/vdsl2_cost.php

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#382870 21-Sep-2010 20:21

last heard on the media is that telecom planning to release vdsl2 in October this year? if you can trust that...

but since ComCom agreed that telecom can charge a premium for vdsl2, there are nth happened really, guess right now they are focusing on structural separation and UFB?

correct me if i am wrong for VDSL2 you have to be within 1km of exchange/Cabinet to be able to get speed around 50Mbps/20Mbps.

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#382872 21-Sep-2010 20:24

correct me if i am wrong for VDSL2 you have to be within 1km of exchange/Cabinet to be able to get speed around 50Mbps/20Mbps.

Correct, although to get those speeds you need to be within 600m, Telecom will treat a VDSL2 connection that cannot achieve 15/5 as an actual fault, anything above that is fair game.

The map tool on the Telecom wholesale site now shows the VDSL2 coverage areas and GPON.

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#383351 22-Sep-2010 21:26

My house is going to be setup for VDSL2 shortly - would love to get in on the trials

this is a slap in the face!

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#383500 23-Sep-2010 10:33

for VDSL there will also be a policy that if you are not within Xkm of the isam you will not be offered the service as it will not be viable. ( no point in having people using up the vdsl cards when they are getting the same speed as when they were on adsl)

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#383844 24-Sep-2010 00:00

webnation: last heard on the media is that telecom planning to release vdsl2 in October this year? if you can trust that...

but since ComCom agreed that telecom can charge a premium for vdsl2, there are nth happened really, guess right now they are focusing on structural separation and UFB?

correct me if i am wrong for VDSL2 you have to be within 1km of exchange/Cabinet to be able to get speed around 50Mbps/20Mbps.

VDSL2 would probably be done initially by installing a new card into existing ISAMs that have spare slots, or perhaps by installing new pizzaboxes into spaces previously reserved fo the subloop unbundling that never happened. In 5 years there will probably be no ADSL cards being made since VDSL2 is backward compatible, and Telecom how much of the network to upgrade if they are serious about competing with the FTTP networks.

There might eventually be a Telecom deal with CFH to migrate users, but Telecom doesnt appear to be that conciliatory so could start a broadband price war or maybe overbuild the local loop with fibre network to compete?

Time to find a new industry!

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#383880 24-Sep-2010 06:31

webwat:
VDSL2 would probably be done initially by installing a new card into existing ISAMs that have spare slots, or perhaps by installing new pizzaboxes into spaces previously reserved fo the subloop unbundling that never happened.

Incorrect. All new ISAMS have dual mode 48 port ADSL/VDSL cards fitted. The VDSL cards are not additional to the ADSL linecards. In older 7302's the existing ADSL cards are simply swapped out with ADSL/VDSL cards.

SHDSL is on it's own 24 port card.

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