I dunno, getting 1% working isn't a bad start!

@blakamin, this should solve your broadband issues though

RunningMan:

I dunno, getting 1% working isn't a bad start!

@blakamin, this should solve your broadband issues though

blakamin:

But they count this as connected???

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-finally-reveals-extent-of-micronode-problem-467943 

And remember, they're calling this technology "nbn"... 

So yeah, over half are still only able to get ADSL and the only reason "half" are connected by "fibre" is they bought HFC networks from Telstra and Optus. It's not fibre like NZ fibre at all.

Also remember 3/4 of rural are now connected... which means wireless. Which means its all BS. 

No point telling me what Oz internet is like from NZ, I live here. I see and hear about it daily. 

DonGould:

That article is just odd. Where is the money really going?

My first guess would be 'Telstra shareholders.'

Wiggum:

 

 

 

 

 

Its like comparing apples with bananas. Australia has a huge footprint to cover, you can't compare fibre coverage. NZ has a population density of about 15 people per square km, while Aus is just 3.1 people.

 

Which of the two countries is cheaper/faster to connect 15 people to UFB/NBN?

 

I rest my case.

 

 

This is an invalid argument that is used to justify the mess, most of the center of Australia has close to zero and there is no intention to "NBN" it. Take out those empty zones and then recalculate the real numbers and you will see its just a huge turdfest.

noroad:

Wiggum:

 

 

Its like comparing apples with bananas. Australia has a huge footprint to cover, you can't compare fibre coverage. NZ has a population density of about 15 people per square km, while Aus is just 3.1 people.

Which of the two countries is cheaper/faster to connect 15 people to UFB/NBN?

I rest my case.

 

 

This is an invalid argument that is used to justify the mess, most of the center of Australia has close to zero and there is no intention to "NBN" it. Take out those empty zones and then recalculate the real numbers and you will see its just a huge turdfest.

blakamin:

 

https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/residential/residential-internet/nbn/

 

Check out the prices....

Oh god that is horrific - it makes me feel a whole lot better regarding the BigPipe $79 deal I'm on. 10Gbps sounds a lot but I'm having a look at moving the stuff on my external hard disk to the cloud which is close to a terabyte so there are definitely situations in the future where people will start doing things they never thought about doing before because the speed was a limiting factor.

matisyahu:

 

10Gbps sounds a lot but I'm having a look at moving the stuff on my external hard disk to the cloud which is close to a terabyte so there are definitely situations in the future where people will start doing things they never thought about doing before because the speed was a limiting factor.

 

"I'm just going to back up my Samsung S15, it takes so long to back up the 3Tb of storage on this 1Gbit link, I wish I had your 10Gbit..."

That's going to be the discussion when moving from the S15 to the S16 which has 3Tb and 6Tb of internal storage as standard and a 30mpx camera in it which you've been making 4k movies with of your kids.

But the real issue is that I just finished a job installing the new wifi in your house, cause you found the AC was a bit slow...  so because Telecom updated, you gave me a job...  and then you gave the guy at Noel Leemings a job to update your phone... and the guy at 2Degrees because you wanted a 6G phone, which meant a network upgrade there too.... and so it goes on.

Are there going to be in home trials of this product?  I'd be keen.  I have built a x86 firewall that should be capable of servicing 10Gbit (well, we'll see!)

Wiggum:

 

You do realize that 10GBps will probably have 0 affect on latency compared to other fiber plans?

 

Sure you will be able to download more data faster, but chances are latency will not be improved at all. Light still travels the same speed through fibre on 100Mbps, 200Mbps, 1Gbps and 10Gbps plans. 

 

So... just to be technically correct there is definitely a difference in latency between, say, 1G and 10G Ethernet. It is actually pretty substantial. You need to look at the physical layer -- how the light is modulated and demodulated through the medium to see the difference.

1G Ethernet uses a 8b/10b encoding scheme with a 125MHz clock rate, that is 1 byte of data 125 million times per second (i.e. maximum capacity 125e6B/s => 119MB/s). The smallest size Ethernet frame is 64 bytes, so we need to wait 64 * 1/125e6 seconds for a full packet => half a microsecond. This is known as the serialisation delay.

10G Ethernet uses 64b/66b encoding with a 156.25MHz clock rate, that is 8 bytes of data 156 million times per second (max capacity 1192MB/s). The latency for a full packet is 8 * 1/156.25e6 seconds => 50 nanoseconds.

That is 10x faster! And of course it will stack up through every piece of equipment in the network.

In certain applications it does make a tangible difference. However, I'm not sure how residential fibre (e.g. xGPON) would impact this, but even so the physical layer should still be much faster.

Note: the "next" Ethernet standard 25G will simply bump the clock rate of 10G by 2.5x (156.25MHz => 390.625MHz). Instant capacity bump, and latency improvement!

30 lucky people will get to trial this next year.

Available locations: 

• Avondale in Auckland
• Birkenhead in Auckland
• Johnsonville in Wellington

Johnsonville! @NickMack you know there's someone here...

freitasm:

 

Johnsonville! @NickMack you know there's someone here...

 

Have you got UFB yet or are you still stuck with Cable?
I recall four or so years ago when the cable was at it's worst you couldn't get UFB in JVille.

Have had UFB for a couple of years, couldn't wait long enough to jump out of cable as soon as UFB was available.

freitasm:

 

Have had UFB for a couple of years, couldn't wait long enough to jump out of cable as soon as UFB was available.

 

Yeah, I recall you messaging me every couple of weeks with a new issue or the same one that has been "fixed" ten times already, that network was horrid. Glad to hear you have got Fibre.