Chorus to launch Hyperfibre service

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#2357557 19-Nov-2019 23:16

The interesting comments I can see here is talk of "international congestion".

Sorry but there is no such thing, there is plenty of capacity available on SCCN today. Then with TGA and Hawaiki..... Capacity is not something NZ will need to face for many years to come.

Sure it may not be at the wholesale rate your RSP desires but international costs still only represent less than $5 across your whole connection cost.

But one thing I know won't change and that is the speed of light. So until someone can solve that one the latency experienced to AU and US will remain the same which in turn creates a perception of a speed limit due to TCP window and round trip times.

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#2357560 20-Nov-2019 00:02

The problem with NZ internet is not speed. It’s that no cloud providers will ever host here as we have third world carrier neutral internet exchanges and a small population base.

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#2357648 20-Nov-2019 09:24

703: The problem with NZ internet is not speed. It’s that no cloud providers will ever host here as we have third world carrier neutral internet exchanges and a small population base.

I can't tell if that should've had an /s next to it?

Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

I say that, because the reasons you've listed, to me as a SysAdmin, means that our country is ideal for a cloud provider.

Neutral internet exchanges, with limited population = low utilisation of network = less congestion of traffic

At least from my perspective. We also have some good data centers here too.

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#2358049 20-Nov-2019 16:02

BarTender:

But one thing I know won't change and that is the speed of light. So until someone can solve that one the latency experienced to AU and US will remain the same which in turn creates a perception of a speed limit due to TCP window and round trip times.

Well, that's exactly the elephant in the room - that appears to be ignored by the marketing material telling us about all the benefits to be had by super fast access plans in NZ. Light is pretty slow in optical fibres, but it's the TCP window settings that typically create the appearance of international congestion. Of course, REANNZ has avoided this on its international links by engineering extremely low packet loss and opening up all the TCP parameters to allow for the round trip acknowledgement delay. RSPs could potentially do the same thing, but no sign of this happening to date - and even the stacks on consumer equipment would need to be managed.

I guess that "Hyperfibre", to start with at least, will be principally a really fast content delivery network?

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#2363681 30-Nov-2019 19:09

703: The problem with NZ internet is not speed. It’s that no cloud providers will ever host here as we have third world carrier neutral internet exchanges and a small population base.

Plenty of neutral exchanges. Population is a bit on the low side, but considering Azure has Sydney, Melbourne, and Canberra locations I'd say the NZ population is high enough.

The problem is TICSA. AWS and co just don't want to deal with it. It's much easier just to put everything in Sydney.

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#2363689 30-Nov-2019 19:51

any word on Enable offering 10gb?

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#2378111 19-Dec-2019 00:11

By them using a ONT/Modem combo unit what chances are we going to be able to use third party units? As we all know ISP units are usually not great and dont last long **cough** HG659

Currently on a UniFi USG connected to Alcatel ONT and would like to keep it that way without using bridging which can introduce its own issues and more failure points.

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#2378113 19-Dec-2019 00:25

Hg659b actually has a very low failure rate. User perception differs from realitity.

Truth be told, depending on if rsps go ipoe or pppoe there is very few cpe out there that's capable of the growth of hyperfibre.

If an rsp looks at how hard it is to support third party devices on gbit (this also extends to it professionals... ) then it's quite a compelling argument to lock a user into a particular cpe.

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#2378114 19-Dec-2019 00:30

Had 3 fail within a year but might just be me.

Looks like they are trying to simplify for the average user by having one box not two good for the average consumer, Not so great when you use VLAN's etc

Still want to know what real market are they trying to target with a 4Gbps internet connection?

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#2378115 19-Dec-2019 00:34

It's not at all about simplification.

There are tons of benefits of not being in chorus's ecosystem that providers can't control.

However, being able to actually route that speed... That ain't cheap. Particularly for a use case that your not going to have volume to buy a cpe at a good cost.

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#2378116 19-Dec-2019 00:42

10GPON wont be cheap for them and i can understand cost cutting measures that just make sense for the 90% of users who don't need fancy setups.

We have very little to complain about considering our neighbors struggle with actually getting 100mbps in the evenings!

on a side note a 10Gbps USG would set me back $4000 the tech will only get cheaper as more people adopt it.

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#2378121 19-Dec-2019 01:20

It's at this kind of bandwidth level where PC/Server based routers can make sense. Routing 10G on modern processors is fairly cheap/easy.

In general, being able to get 10G, or even 2/4G into home is the point where I'd consider moving my entire infrastructure apart from routers/switches into the DC. Gigabit is a bit of a bottleneck when it comes to copying large files (think video/audio) around, and having it be symmetric makes a big difference too.

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#2378474 19-Dec-2019 12:33

FYI, we have just launched Fibre 4000 with Orcon. Queenstown only at this stage, we are taking orders now and expect installs in mid-Jan.

Details on the Orcon site...

Cheers, Quentin

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#2378486 19-Dec-2019 12:48

quentinreade:
FYI, we have just launched Fibre 4000 with Orcon. Queenstown only at this stage, we are taking orders now and expect installs in mid-Jan.

Details on the Orcon site...

Cheers, Quentin

Any update on invercargill?

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#2378492 19-Dec-2019 12:53

quentinreade:

FYI, we have just launched Fibre 4000 with Orcon. Queenstown only at this stage, we are taking orders now and expect installs in mid-Jan.

Details on the Orcon site...

Cheers, Quentin

Congratulations on being first to market! Quite the achievement indeed!

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