Chorus boosting 100/20 fibre to 300/100 in November/December

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#2772564 5-Sep-2021 16:51

Inphinity:
michaelmurfy:

I really hope Spark / Skinny and co do upgrades too. From memory the 30/10 plan was upgraded to have 50Mbit down free of charge but both providers (at-least currently) don't seem to be offering this to customers. I suspect this is to "upsell" customers to the 100Mbit plan.

It is great that Chorus are doing this and advertising it also.

Spark's Fibre Basic plan is 30/10 or 50/10 depending on the LFC's base offering.

I still find this bizarre that the base fibre offering is slower than some can get on VDSL. It does explain why occasionally there's comments about slower performance after getting fibre installed. If you went with spark and went from a good VDSL connection to the base plan it would be slower. You'd think as spark were charging more to stay on copper they'd want to incentivise the move by making sure it was actually a better service being offered for every customer that made the switch. It's been a couple of years since enable upgraded most people to 200/20 and last year it went up to 200/100 but the base plan is still 30 down.

I'm still on gigabit for now but I mainly for that for upload speeds above 20mb, now the default here is 100 I'm tempted to stick with that going forward. We don't come close to really needing gigabit speeds.

Detruire

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#2772606 5-Sep-2021 19:53

everettpsycho:
I still find this bizarre that the base fibre offering is slower than some can get on VDSL. It does explain why occasionally there's comments about slower performance after getting fibre installed. If you went with spark and went from a good VDSL connection to the base plan it would be slower. You'd think as spark were charging more to stay on copper they'd want to incentivise the move by making sure it was actually a better service being offered for every customer that made the switch. It's been a couple of years since enable upgraded most people to 200/20 and last year it went up to 200/100 but the base plan is still 30 down.

I'm still on gigabit for now but I mainly for that for upload speeds above 20mb, now the default here is 100 I'm tempted to stick with that going forward. We don't come close to really needing gigabit speeds.

Even the 100Mbit plan could be slower (for downloads) than VDSL - which can do up to 130Mbit according to Chorus - provided the connection is good enough.

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quickymart

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#2772608 5-Sep-2021 19:54

Those speeds are under optimal conditions though, you would need to be just about on top of the exchange.

Spyware

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#2772610 5-Sep-2021 19:59

Not so.

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Detruire

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#2772612 5-Sep-2021 20:23

sbiddle:

One of the concerns for large RSP's must surely be a loss of revenue if people drop back from Gigabit plans - we know that average throughput of a Gigabit user is not really any different to somebody on a slower plan and many people are simply paying extra for Gigabit without actually having any real world use or seeing any real world benefits.With the increased upload speeds of this plan some smart people may se it as an opportunity to save money.

Definitely.

As someone who's mainly on a gigabit plan because 20Mbit/s up wasn't enough, I'll certainly be considering downgrading once my contract ends in December. We rarely see real-world usage over 300Mbit/s down, and when we do it's typically for something where the difference doesn't realistically matter (unattended downloads, etc.). In fact, the lower upload speed would have more of an impact - but again, not in a way that really matters.

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halper86

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#2772638 6-Sep-2021 01:54

I’ve used a 110mbps vectored VDSL connection before, cabinet was about 300m down the street.

KrazyKid

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#2773025 6-Sep-2021 15:49

sbiddle:

One of the concerns for large RSP's must surely be a loss of revenue if people drop back from Gigabit plans - we know that average throughput of a Gigabit user is not really any different to somebody on a slower plan and many people are simply paying extra for Gigabit without actually having any real world use or seeing any real world benefits.With the increased upload speeds of this plan some smart people may se it as an opportunity to save money.

This would also apply to Chorus who are surely charging the RSP more for the gigabit plans. They will also see an income drop.

I wonder if it will result in a push of the >1GB plans - drop those prices a bit and try and move prosumers to them
(I can see the tag line now ... "if you like to boast about 1 GB you'll love this 5GB plan - sign here for only $120 per month!")

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deadlyllama

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#2773521 7-Sep-2021 12:30

KrazyKid:

This would also apply to Chorus who are surely charging the RSP more for the gigabit plans. They will also see an income drop.

I wonder if it will result in a push of the >1GB plans - drop those prices a bit and try and move prosumers to them
(I can see the tag line now ... "if you like to boast about 1 GB you'll love this 5GB plan - sign here for only $120 per month!")

I imagine Choruses primary concern is people switching from copper or fibre to FWA. Any profit on a fibre connection is preferable to none on FWA. They'd want it to be crystal clear that Fibre will be faster than any competing technology, and at 100/20 and with the possibility of 5G FWA in some areas, that's not a claim they can make. In Wellington and Christchurch they'd care about being competitive with Vodafone HFC, too.

The worst position for Chorus is to incur the fixed cost of installing fibre to your property, only for you to switch to FWA. Or turn off copper and have you switch to FWA instead of fibre.

At the same time they're clearly trying to keep revenue per line up by not dropping the wholesale price. Which will continue to push cost-conscious users to FWA (and HFC).

halper86

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#2773544 7-Sep-2021 13:07

I can imagine most people would rather a stable 300/100 connection than paying less for a mostly stable ~100/~50 FWA connection at best efforts. People on FWA are usually low users and unconscious about speed and latency. For this strategy (of retaining UFB customers) to work, Chorus needs crystal clear marketing aimed at the less technologically-minded people to entice them into staying/getting onto fibre.
I hope for Chorus and their shareholders sake, that this will work.

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#2773563 7-Sep-2021 13:36

deadlyllama:

At the same time they're clearly trying to keep revenue per line up by not dropping the wholesale price. Which will continue to push cost-conscious users to FWA (and HFC).

I dunno, cable's reputation is pretty poor now (and has been for some time). I can't see too many people falling over themselves to get it nowadays.

Aucklandjafa

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#2774171 8-Sep-2021 07:47

I’d say the margin between 100mb and gig plans is negligible so RSPs wouldn’t lose out too much with people dropping down to the new 300mb plan if chorus isn’t changing the wholesale cost

halper86

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#2774277 8-Sep-2021 10:45

Aucklandjafa: I’d say the margin between 100mb and gig plans is negligible so RSPs wouldn’t lose out too much with people dropping down to the new 300mb plan if chorus isn’t changing the wholesale cost

No change in wholesale cost for the change 100/20–>300/100, however many people anticipate RSPs to increase plan charges (marginally) as there is more demand on networks, the cost increase is therefore most likely, and justified.

jnimmo

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#2775209 9-Sep-2021 12:06

Maybe Chorus can earn more money by forcing the ISPs to install more/bigger handovers than the pricing difference between 100 and gigabit connections to avoid contention after the upgrade to 300Mbps

DjShadow

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#2778792 15-Sep-2021 14:45

Now Broadband have announced they are passing on the speed increase for no extra cost - http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/5/392578

quickymart

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#2778810 15-Sep-2021 15:25

Now just need the rest to follow...

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